Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !

BobQ

howee wrote: »

NO but I rememember when they all maxed their credit cards out like the rest of us, if it so easy to tax bankers and business how come Labour didn't do it in their 14yrs!!


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Speak for yourself! I have never had a credit card bill that was not settled in the next month. I'm one of those suffering low interst rates on my savings because of those that did!

J_i_m

Well I was true to my word, I did not strike and went into work as usual. Everyone supposed to be on duty today were so at my unit.

thegirlintheattic

seggy1 wrote: »

Well at least they have a job to go to tomorrow not like alot of people think of us please do seggy1

There is rising redundancy in the public sector as well. A lot of workers like myself are also now hired on temporary contacts, allowing our employers to get rid of us very easily and getting rid of job security. Don't try to make out that it is only the private sector suffering from job losses.

We (the private and public sectors) should be standing together rather than turning against each other like the current government wants.

jenniferfluff29

Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I haven't read full thread.

Do the armed forces contribute to their pension and if not, who picks up the bill?

BobQ

jenniferfluff29 wrote: »

Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I haven't read full thread.

Do the armed forces contribute to their pension and if not, who picks up the bill?

They do not make a contribution from pay but their pay is reduced to allow for a pension contribution before it is paid to them. So yes they do.

jenniferfluff29

But is that not the same as other PS workers? Civil servants pay less of a pension payment as they are on lesser money for the job they do but their pension payments will be going up. Well, dependent of the sector of the civil service.

Does that mean that armed forces wages will be cut so they can make up the extra 3% that they will need to pay into their pension? Seems unfair if the rest of the PS have to pay but they don't.

ANGLICANPAT

howee wrote: »

But large numbers are not dieing lol, they are living longer and longer, what do you think is going to happen when the baby boomers all retire? The ones coming in will not be able to pay for the masses who will be collecting their pensions.

These ARE the baby boomers retiring right now . As paparossco said, NHS makes up its own shortfall. Todays retirees are being paid out of the funds paid in by theprevious generation of NHS workers, and what the retirees paid in their working lives, was calculated on the needs of the future generation of retirees (longevity built into that forcast).

In 2008 the NHS pension system was examined and tweaked to make absolutely sure it was sustainable/self financing. There is a HUGE surplus built into these funds, it would mop up longevity issues, but even if it didnt ,at worst all the govt would need to do is implement the extra couple of years working life , not attack from 2 more sides simultaneously with changing to average earnings, increasing contributions , not to mention the RPI issue

This is nothing to do with private v public pension fairness. The Govt are encouraging that one as a smoke screen ,to muster support from the private sector so they get at least some of the population supporting their unjustified public pension raid. (Divide and conquer)

NHS pension scheme IS self financing , but the Govt want to have everyone paying more into it for less , so theres an even bigger surplus for them to cream off and help pay off THEIR debts.
Lets face it, its a lot easier for them to mislead the public with lies and raise funds this immoral way , than it is for them to tackle the real villains at the top of the financial mess isnt it.

Quote girl in the attic "We (the private and public sectors) should be standing together rather than turning against each other like the current government wants. " Unquote.

EXACTLY. A divided population stands no chance of pressuring a govt to both clean up their own act and go after the big fish screwing the financial system

Weird_Nev

Yet more people buying into the "Them and us" rhetoric of both unions of government.
I must say, the Government have done an astounding job of divide and conquer.

We should ALL be fighting for a fair deal for us ALL in retirement. We well all need looking after in old age. If you're a private sector worker paying 3% into a pension plan that will NOT cater for your needs into retirement. If you're a Public sector worker looking at your pension being decimated then you should be fighting for the best possible deals.

I'm sick, SICK of private sector workers giving it the smug grin and "Wecome to the real world". I'd politely suggest that I spend more time working in the real world than yo ucan imagine. If you think we have it so good, wh yaren't you working in the public sector? If you work 26 hours a day don't pit for hapenny a year, why not dip into the public sector where the water is so lovely? Oh yeah, you can't, or don't want to, be a teacher, nurse or council official.

The Hutton enquiry concluded that the current public sector pension burden is sustainable and is getting cheaper over 50 year projections. Affordability and sutainability is NOT the motivation for these changes - so what is? Why can't we get a straght answer out of the politicians.

I do think that there need to be reforms. I'd love to work in a leaner more efficient organisation. I'd love to pay a bit less tax. I'd love for the UK to be in wealthy boom times. I'd love for hard working public sector employees to be respected and well paid for educating the nations children, looking after the sick, protecting the wealth.

But if ever we needed to stand together as a population to protect our future against a smash and grab, this was it.

But instead we get "Welcome to the real world" and "It happened to me, now it's your turn". I find it depression how those who feel downtrodden would rather kick their neighbour in the teeth to make themselves feel better than take steps to improve their own situation.

ANGLICANPAT

Weird_Nev wrote: »

The Hutton enquiry concluded that the current public sector pension burden is sustainable and is getting cheaper over 50 year projections. Affordability and sutainability is NOT the motivation for these changes - so what is? Why can't we get a straght answer out of the politicians.UNQUOTE

Because theyre hardly going to admit that the pension adjustments are to enable them to be able to cream even more off the surplus, to help them to help pay off THEIR debts .

Moby

Good point Anglicanpat. The Government have given no indication whatsoever that the extra revenue taken from the pension changes will go back into the pension pots! Why is that????

Brilliant turnout for the strike, march and rally in London. Great cameraderie and good speech by Mark Serwotka. Cameron and his landed gentry bagman Angus Maude tried to put the 'damp squib' spin on things. A couple of days ago they were talking about a doomsday scenario of 500m lost. Which is it Bullingdon Dave....a 'damp squib' or a disaster;).

The headlines in the Sun and Mail will be as expected:p no change there of course. Lets hope Levison puts them straight!
I hear Maude is now planning talks with the Teachers Unions and will offer them an incentive to settle and break away from the other unions.....sleazy and cynical tactics in my view...but what do you expect from this lot!