Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !

dizzie

jem16 wrote: »

Teachers in independent schools usually have better salaries/benefits PLUS are also members of the Public Sector Teachers' Pension scheme.

So if the grass is so much greener on the other side, why aren't more public sector workers trying to chew it? Better salaries and benefits? Really?

jem16

dizzie wrote: »

I haven't repeated it "ad nauseum" actually! Perhaps someone else has. But why mention this at all if the situation is no different for any employment - be it public or private sector? What relevance should this have to the debate?

Ask howee - he brought it up.

dizzie wrote: »

So if the grass is so much greener on the other side, why aren't more public sector workers trying to chew it? Better salaries and benefits? Really?

http://www.isc.co.uk/TeachingZone_PayBenefits.htm

sheffield_lad

will-in-estoril wrote: »

Evidence or just something read in the Daily Mail?

My own union is receiving plenty of support, logistic, financial and moral, from branches and members who have private sector employers. The same goes for UNISON, UNITE and the GMB. Of course, legislation prevents secondary action by these members.

There is a god, or a past Conservative gov lol, well if you believe the BBC (I don't), you have the brain dead err youth of today on your side, pity they don't realise they support you getting something they will never get but will pay for over the next 40yrs.

Ahhhh the youth of today (poor beggers).

PS, anyone thought about the BBC pole, probably 20% answering may be working or have a family member working for the PS.

jem16

The_Angry_Jock wrote: »

2 points.

- A 21 year old (or anyone in their 20's/30's) has 40+ years to prepare for their retirement, if they feel their provisions aren't enough there's nothing really stopping them making up the short fall with savings - as has been the advise I've read on here regarding increased retirement ages.

Totally agree. I already do that.

- In 45+ years there will probably be loads of jobs for people in the transition period between career and retirement to look after the increasing numbers of (what will be) existing pensioners - just a suggestion.

Ultimately though, none of us can predict what's going to happen over that length of time, we could be under the sea by then :eek:

Exactly - who knows?

We can only do the best we can do.

sheffield_lad

jem16 wrote: »

Ask howee - he brought it up.



http://www.isc.co.uk/TeachingZone_PayBenefits.htm

It's true most PS workers DO think they are 'special' lol.

I can pick one out a mile off, as soon as they talk down to me or tell me

'I work 40hrs I can't possibly fit you in'
'my job is too stressfull I need to rest on weekends'

Both true statments, from a teacher and a council worker. lol

dizzie

jem16 wrote: »

Ask howee - he brought it up.



http://www.isc.co.uk/TeachingZone_PayBenefits.htm

Great, you've quoted a source that is clearly designed to encourage teachers to enter the private sector from the public one. So they've tried to highlight all the plus points....isn't that what adverts are designed to do?

If this website is correct in its information, then teaching does appear to be a unique case. I'm not aware that other private sector jobs offer the same guarantees!

But coming back to this advert...why aren't more teachers trying to jump ship then? Could this be because there are some down sides? Like greater monitoring of the performance of individual teachers, more demanding work expectations and Saturday morning commitments to teaching?

J_i_m

howee wrote: »

It's true most PS workers DO think they are 'special' lol.

I can pick one out a mile off, as soon as they talk down to me or tell me

'I work 40hrs I can't possibly fit you in'
'my job is too stressfull I need to rest on weekends'

Both true statments, from a teacher and a council worker. lol

Can you elaborate on that please. I think it a trifle unfair to tar people with the same brush without actually giving a comprehensive example of what happened.

jem16

howee wrote: »

Both true statments, from a teacher and a council worker. lol

So you have spoken to 2 public sector workers and you conclude that most PS workers think they are special. lol.

roysterer

will-in-estoril wrote: »

Evidence or just something read in the Daily Mail?

My own union is receiving plenty of support, logistic, financial and moral, from branches and members who have private sector employers. The same goes for UNISON, UNITE and the GMB. Of course, legislation prevents secondary action by these members.

EVIDENCE
23 Unite union members (Engineers) in my office.
not one single person supports the Public Sector on this issue.
And they dont all read the Daily Mail.

What is it with you lot, anyone who does not support your case must be a Daily Mail reader.

It's a bit like saying all people who work in the Public Sector is a whinging work shy lazy toad. The truth being your not all work shy lazy toads, some of you are hard working well respected members of society.

jem16

dizzie wrote: »

Great, you've quoted a source that is clearly designed to encourage teachers to enter the private sector from the public one. So they've tried to highlight all the plus points....isn't that what adverts are designed to do?

Of course it is.

As is most propoganda from both government and union sides.

Your point being?

If this website is correct in its information, then teaching does appear to be a unique case. I'm not aware that other private sector jobs offer the same guarantees!

Neither am I but then I haven't looked at other cases, only the profession I belong to.

But coming back to this advert...why aren't more teachers trying to jump ship then? Could this be because there are some down sides? Like greater monitoring of the performance of individual teachers, more demanding work expectations and Saturday morning commitments to teaching?

I would well imagine there are downsides. Whether the upsides outnumber the downsides or vice versa I have no idea.