Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !

CLAPTON

lvader wrote: »

It isn't credible that both governments forced the BOE to do something that they were against. QE is a BOE move that has been backed by both governments.

maybe we are at cross purposes

In the context of the effect of QE on annunity rates I am saying that the BoE and the government are as one.
so it is not unreasonable for the government to help people very near taking their pension.

J_i_m

Not only that, if people think that the majority of people are going to be fit to climb ladders and fight fires, or be on their feet all day on hospital wards or on the beat all day policing when they are 65+ then quite frankly they are deluded.

If I'm honest a change from final salary to average salarly isn't going to drastically change my pension, my salary band is £14000-17000. I have no idea what my final pension will be worth yet effectively nothing will change for me.

What continues to annoy me is this absurd attitude of "I'm a tax payer, so I pay your wages!" I could as easily turn round and retort "Well I shop at ASDA, so I pay YOUR wages!" Ultimately both statements are complete tosh.

Now, admittedly for my level of qualification as a NHS care assistant I'm very probably on a better salarly than my counterpart who might stack shelves at Tesco (or what ever). Ultimately we probably have very similar levels of skill and qualification yet I probably get a bit more in my wage slip.

As such... And it's remarkable how this is either missed, ignored or simply dismissed as an "accountant's trick" I'll actually be losing more from my wages to PAYE & NI than my counterpart, you know...good ol matey boy who happens to be showing joe public just which aisle Morrisons currently put sugar in?

Now your pension may well suck, and that's terribly bad luck. How about launching a campaign to get your employers to improve their contribution? Has anyone actually thought of that?

Because basically at the end of the day, what goes around comes around doesn't it? What exactly is the mutilating of public sector pensions going to achieve? Is it going to make you better off? I very much doubt it!

Would securing a better pension for yourself improve your welfare? Quite possibly, I should think yes.

So yes we happen to be in a bit of a recession, I wouldn't be totally opposed to sacrificing a little to help out my fellow man, and maybe equalise things a little bit. Yet it also wouldn't hurt for the private sector giants who still turn over vast profits to put a bit back into the welfare of their workforce in addition to pandering to shareholders already probably worth millions and sorted for life.

atush

lvader wrote: »

It isn't credible that both governments forced the BOE to do something that they were against. QE is a BOE move that has been backed by both governments.

It isn't credible for anyone to think that the BOE doesn't have their own advisors and is controlled by her majesty's govt of the day.

ILW

J_i_m wrote: »

Not only that, if people think that the majority of people are going to be fit to climb ladders and fight fires, or be on their feet all day on hospital wards or on the beat all day policing when they are 65+ then quite frankly they are deluded.

If I'm honest a change from final salary to average salarly isn't going to drastically change my pension, my salary band is £14000-17000. I have no idea what my final pension will be worth yet effectively nothing will change for me.

What continues to annoy me is this absurd attitude of "I'm a tax payer, so I pay your wages!" I could as easily turn round and retort "Well I shop at ASDA, so I pay YOUR wages!" Ultimately both statements are complete tosh.

Now, admittedly for my level of qualification as a NHS care assistant I'm very probably on a better salarly than my counterpart who might stack shelves at Tesco (or what ever). Ultimately we probably have very similar levels of skill and qualification yet I probably get a bit more in my wage slip.

As such... And it's remarkable how this is either missed, ignored or simply dismissed as an "accountant's trick" I'll actually be losing more from my wages to PAYE & NI than my counterpart, you know...good ol matey boy who happens to be showing joe public just which aisle Morrisons currently put sugar in?

Now your pension may well suck, and that's terribly bad luck. How about launching a campaign to get your employers to improve their contribution? Has anyone actually thought of that?

Because basically at the end of the day, what goes around comes around doesn't it? What exactly is the mutilating of public sector pensions going to achieve? Is it going to make you better off? I very much doubt it!

Would securing a better pension for yourself improve your welfare? Quite possibly, I should think yes.

So yes we happen to be in a bit of a recession, I wouldn't be totally opposed to sacrificing a little to help out my fellow man, and maybe equalise things a little bit. Yet it also wouldn't hurt for the private sector giants who still turn over vast profits to put a bit back into the welfare of their workforce in addition to pandering to shareholders already probably worth millions and sorted for life.

Most of those profits end up in pension funds.

sheffield_lad

J_i_m wrote: »

Not only that, if people think that the majority of people are going to be fit to climb ladders and fight fires, or be on their feet all day on hospital wards or on the beat all day policing when they are 65+ then quite frankly they are deluded.

Another one who does not live in the real world, I have put this point in another post but just for you Jim.

Why are public sector workers any different to the private sector? When will a plumber, carpet fitter, bricklayer or plasterer retire?

I have friends in all these trades (all don't have any pension at all), will they be able to retire at 60?

Errr no hello JIM 'real world' what they will do is retire and wait for a pension maybe get a part time job to put them on or get a less strenuous job in a shop or a call centre. Why is that soooo beneath the public worker? I work on ladders day in day out can I retire at 60 Jim? My feet hurt when I am on the all day?

You look suprised that its not only the public sector with tired feet,

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

ILW

howee wrote: »

Another one who does not live in the real world, I have put this point in another post but just for you Jim.

Why are public sector workers any different to the private sector? When will a plumber, carpet fitter, bricklayer or plasterer retire?

I have friends in all these trades (all don't have any pension at all), will they be able to retire at 60?

Errr no hello JIM 'real world' what they will do is retire and wait for a pension maybe get a part time job to put them on or get a less strenuous job in a shop or a call centre. Why is that soooo beneath the public worker? I work on ladders day in day out can I retire at 60 Jim? My feet hurt when I am on the all day?

You look suprised that its not only the public sector with tired feet,

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

Most public sector workers are not fireman or police. Many are just pen pushers and admin types.

sheffield_lad

ILW wrote: »

Most public sector workers are not fireman or police. Many are just pen pushers and admin types.

Oh No! You forgot, poorly pen hand where holding a pen (remember only public sector workers use these dangerous objects), means your hand drops off after 60!! and what about the admin worker have you never had a paper cut lethal lol.

Best let them all just retire at 60 me thinks

J_i_m

howee wrote: »

Another one who does not live in the real world, I have put this point in another post but just for you Jim.

Why are public sector workers any different to the private sector? When will a plumber, carpet fitter, bricklayer or plasterer retire?

I have friends in all these trades (all don't have any pension at all), will they be able to retire at 60?

Errr no hello JIM 'real world' what they will do is retire and wait for a pension maybe get a part time job to put them on or get a less strenuous job in a shop or a call centre. Why is that soooo beneath the public worker? I work on ladders day in day out can I retire at 60 Jim? My feet hurt when I am on the all day?

You look suprised that its not only the public sector with tired feet,

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

Where did I suggest plumbers, carpet fitters, brick layers ought to be fit to do so at 60? I certainly don't recal doing so.

Perhaps you should ascertain that you're speaking from the "real world" before you invite or welcome others to it.

sheffield_lad

J_i_m wrote: »

Where did I suggest plumbers, carpet fitters, brick layers ought to be fit to do so at 60? I certainly don't recall doing so.

Perhaps you should ascertain that you're speaking from the "real world" before you invite or welcome others to it.

Your argument is poor old public sector workers can't do their jobs after 65 (sore feet being one excuse), I am telling you to wake up and look around at what the rest of us have to do. The blokes I told you about pay nothing, nill, ziltch, zero, nada, into any pension yet they subsidise yours.

Why/how can it be fair for anyone in real world to work until 68 ? While you retire earlier in most cases at 60!!!

It's not that its too long in real world its life we are living longer, we need to pay more in, work longer, and get less out (does this sound familiar lol), my firm cut the final salary scheme over 5yrs ago, NO ONE I repeat NO ONE batted an eye lid we all saw it coming as do every private sector worker (we live in the real world), so how come the public sector workers feel like they can be different 'special' do you work harder? (umm sickness levels suggest not), do you work longer? err no so why do you want to be treated any differently from the rest of us?

Jim you need to join the real world, the biggest joke of all is after all the changes your pension will be far far far better than what any of the rest of us will ever get.

Get your head out of the sand.

J_i_m

So who are subsidising the fees self employed tradespeople charge, little pixies? Everyone does, take your head out of my sandpit