Labour still singing the spend song

kabayiri

paulmapp8306 wrote: »

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Case in point - Schools in my area bought iPads for its pupils !!!! they were given them to take how to help with homework. Within a month 80% of them had been broken. So they replaced them. where exactly is this monrey comming from, and whats wrong with pens & paper - and the internet at a library. Oh yes - most kids dont know what a library is do they.
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Hehe, good call.

You do realise it's some overpaid consultant numpty who comes up with the iPad policy don't you ?

If they suggested an etch a sketch, or heaven forbid paper, they wouldn't be able to justify their 6 figure salary and designer work shoes.

At one of our local primary schools the item of choice for the burglar was the fancy overhead projector. They would break in and steal it on the first evening of a 2 week break (like Easter). This is because no one would notice it was missing with just a pair of wires in its place!

I am very techno literate, but I still see the value in chalk and a blackboard.

Chalk doesn't make the resellers who specialise in the schools market much money though, does it.

Wookster

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

*OK so there is a third option - slash the public sector and watch as the private sector frees itself of its shackles and creates far more jobs than have just been lost. Except that as yesterday's job figures demonstrated - 111k jobs cut from public sector in Q2, 41k added to private sector - this dogma is plain wrong.

SO Rochdale's answer: Spend spend spend spend

Then we'll end up like Greece.

abaxas

Peadonomics.

Get those who cant fight back or vote to pay for it.

Really2

Odd only months ago people were saying how bad our GDP is compared to most of europe especially France, Germany, italy etc.
Fast forward a few months and we are equal or out performing while cutting spending, seems like we get compared to America now?

There is no doubt spending needs to be cut or our borrowing costs would be raised substantially.
How anyone can argue otherwise madness, it is in action across Europe.

We would be in far worse trouble seeing far worse austerity had we not cut, it is plain to see and as now happened multiple times in Euroland.

chewmylegoff

Wookster wrote: »

SO Rochdale's answer: Spend spend spend spend

Then we'll end up like Greece.

the thing with this all is that the labour plan was actually to cut about 1% less than the current govt, so it's not as if they would have done anything materially different.

as soon as they got into opposition, with no responsibility and no need to worry about bond yields etc, the story changed. it's all magical silver bullets and fairy tales about how we could somehow buck the global trend if we start spending loads more.

hardly a surprise. any opposition would do exactly the same.

IronWolf

chewmylegoff wrote: »

the thing with this all is that the labour plan was actually to cut about 1% less than the current govt, so it's not as if they would have done anything materially different.

as soon as they got into opposition, with no responsibility and no need to worry about bond yields etc, the story changed. it's all magical silver bullets and fairy tales about how we could somehow buck the global trend if we start spending loads more.

hardly a surprise. any opposition would do exactly the same.

Exactly. Opposition politics is always dreadful, just criticise everything the government does, but never nail your flag to the mast and open yourself to criticism, just have no policies and criticise.

Rochdale_Pioneers

I want to see some common sense. The aim is to remove the deficit anc cut our debt levels. This is almost impossible with mass unemployment and zero growth, so logically we need to do everything we can to have people in work.

There are a lot of schemes with a proven track record of creating employment which have had their funding pulled. That means the scheme cannot run which doesn't create the jobs and the tax receipts lost and benefits paid are considerably more than the funding that was cut.

Logically we should invest the cash in these schemes as they see an immediate return on investment. Cutting them is counter productive and acts to do the opposite of the stated goal. Similarly all the funding cuts to charities. We want to switch provision from the state to third sector organisations who can be more local and more efficient. So lets cut the funding, watch the charity not be able to provide the service and then wonder why costs have gone up.

I'll give you an example. My wife volunteers for a support service for young mums. She gives up her time to give advice on things like breastfeeding, weaning and other health-related subjects which have long term cash benefits to the country. Her team all need CRB checks, a venue, insurance for the venue etc. The funding for this no longer exists and so the service will end. This will increase pressure on the NHS through health visitors and sicker children which will cost far more than the budget being cut.

greggymagic

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

That means the scheme cannot run which doesn't create the jobs and the tax receipts lost and benefits paid are considerably more than the funding that was cut..

Thats ridiculous if that's true. Why would anyone cut a "profitable" scheme?

Surely someone would have number crunched it first?

Conrad

Wookster wrote: »

The sheery idiocy of the spend song has been thoroughly exposed by events just across the water... or have you not read the papers?

I wish some of my fellow Tories would come support me in my thread in Discussion Time as it's swamped by lefties.

PS - they will tick you off for use of the word 'leftie'.


"Countdown to the new prosperity, Tories make us proud again, thread"

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3614323

Thrugelmir

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

I want to see some common sense. The aim is to remove the deficit anc cut our debt levels. This is almost impossible with mass unemployment and zero growth, so logically we need to do everything we can to have people in work.

To create meaningful growth. The UK has to become competitive in the global labour market. That may well require a reduction in the standard of living to achieve.

The politicians mantra of growth will solve all our problems is over. As we now live in a world far removed from that of just 20 years ago.