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Anyone watching the fuel debate?
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Are'nt we still sat on !!!! loads of coal.
Beat me to it.:(
In a backhanded way Maggie closing down the pits was a stroke of luck.
At least we still have a nice wodge of fossil fuel to burn when all around us perish.
Wonder how much tax they will want off that?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I wouldnt mind the tax on fuel so much if public transport was a viable option. But it isnt for most people. Its insanely expensive and outside major urban areas you are pretty much stuck with private companies running skeleton services.
Some villages get two buses a day, both timed around school commutes. If you dont happen to want to leave at 8 am or come back at 4pm you are stuck.
Its not like we are talking travelling particularly great distances either. I would happily leave my car at home, walk 10 minutes to the bus stop and read a book for an hour, if bus travel for a week didnt cost 50% more than driving.
Thats the whole point. I dont take the bus because I cant afford it. Now they are trying their best to make driving as expensive as the public transport many of us already cant afford.
What do they think will happen if people cant afford to get to work?0 -
At the end of the day, who gives the government the right to gouge on tax? Tax on fuel is ridiculous (please don't give me then green issue, because I'll wipe the floor with you).
Life has changed, very few of us work local and can walk to work, like we could many years ago, I remember having a job in the '80s where I could walk to walk. Small local employers have mainly closed and more and more of us work for large corporations some distance away and need to be there on time every day come rain or shine. And quite frankly many of us need both partners working to pay the rent or mortgage, so two cars are often needed.
Don't forget, that the people making these decisions have ministerial cars, chauffeur and all fuel paid, plus the right to use bus /taxi lanes etc.
As far as employment goes these days, we all need geographical mobility. Sure, I'd like to work local and walk to work or cycle, but for those of us that live outside of London, it is a choice.
If we need more revenue, that I suggest we cut the foreign aid budget that is going up to something like £12 billion pa, we stop going to wars like Libya which cost us about £0.5 billion, we stop upping our contribution to the IMF from £12 billion to £20 billion pa (with the promise of more money imminently) to help out countries in the Eurozone that we didn't even join.
The list is endless, but I shan't bore you. Quite frankly working people in this country have enough to worry about with them hiking the price of fuel, especially when call me Dave is writing blank cheques that we can't afford.
Spot on IMO.
Add Trident into that pile too.
When you can't afford it you have to give things up or face bankruptcy, particularly when there is no clear strategy or exit from your problems. As a PP said they are benefiting from more VAT on the back of the higher prices."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
It is entirely possible to function as a family with 1 car. If you think it's not then that us simply your skewed sense of entitlement to live, work, and commute where you chose.
Hmm........I wonder how 2 (or more) working adults can commute in different directions if they can't chose where they live/work/commute?
I agree we all have choices/responsibility, but I can't see it's possible for everyone to manage with 1 car if there are several people working at the same time.0 -
paulmapp8306 wrote: »I have said before (and yes I know there are potential issues - nothings perfect), why not make tax easy.
Income tax - thats. Nothing else. no VAT, No NI, No duty. Make income tax 50% or so to make up for the loss of the other tax's. government revinue stays the same, what you pay in is directly linked to what you earn (low earner pay less - high earners pay more), and theres no room for stealth tax's. If the government want more revinue they change income tax levels - and everyone can see it.
Youd also save a fortune administering the Tax system.
They will never do it because:-
1.)then we would know the total tax take which would be well over 50% for the average Jo(e) rising for higher earners and soon to be graduates.
2.) As another poster has said you would miss those that avoid tax but get caught by the consumption taxes, VAT/duties and secondly as incomes/workers fall through unemployment and old age then income tax is falling too, again they are caught by consumption tax.
Perhaps we should introduce higher level of VAT on definite luxuries and reduce it elsewhere e.g. plasma TVs, IPADs, Smart phones, SKY TV, foreign holidays, Games & game stations - you can live without those maybe.
i noticed on my shopping that you get charged VAT on hair shampoo."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
greggymagic wrote: »My goodness - it's entirely possible to function without sounding condescending and like you are sitting on a very high horse.
Very few people live, work and commute where they choose - maybe in la la land they do - but in the real world I doubt anyone would "choose" to get on the tube if they didn't really really have to.
I would love to work within walking distance of where I live but unfortunately job availability, house prices and cost of living make it not really possible.
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And why shouldn't the proletarians have some choice and convenience. Why should it be the domain of the ruling elite.
Increasing the tax will be self defeating - money will be diverted form other spending, increase inflation and people will drive less."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Higher inflation can have the effect of making the petrol prices (&tax) seem a bit cheaper.
On the other hand all they need to do is raise interest rates, the Pound will rocket against the dollar and the price of fuel will fall.0 -
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Going4TheDream wrote: »That is super luxury as it could double up as accommodation and been seen as a 2nd home! :rotfl:
It wont be the first time ive slept in it:)0
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