26 weeks work experience

leasky30

im on jsa ( that's all i clam) after being pushed off esa because of the tribunal, i am on the work programme and its just he same as the new deal and the flexible new deal, im so far through the work programme and im in the ready for work category, but my health and weaning off medication doesn't help as its hard for me and the stress off this pushing all the time, !!!!es me off, i dont want to be told i must work for 2.18 ( 30 hours non paid work) hour for 4 weeks which wont increase my chances for a job, then for 6 months after the work programme is done, these schemes are just a money making scam for these private companies to make a profit of from people on benefits

DannyboyMidlands

I think it's a great idea but would make it permanent and effective from the first day of a claim. It's only 30 hours a week so plenty of time left to job hunt.

CKhalvashi

exprog wrote: »

Would you care to list all the employers who will give jobs to everyone who wants one?

Once they’ve proven themselves capable of doing the job and passed a CRB check, most certainly, provided the work is there!

BigAunty

leasky30 wrote: »

.. i dont want to be told i must work for 2.18 ( 30 hours non paid work) hour for 4 weeks which wont increase my chances for a job, then for 6 months after the work programme is done, these ..

Recent work experience does considerably improve a person's chances of securing employment. The longer a person is out of the workforce, the harder it is for them to re-enter it.

The poll on the Discussion Time forum shows that giving community placements to those claiming JSA for 2 years is very popular with forum members - nearly as 3 times as many people are in favour of the scheme than are against it.

Your view is that you only receive the equivalent of £2 an hour because you 'work' 30 hours and only get JSA, but do remember, that it would only kick in after 2 years of being on JSA, and many JSA claimants also receive benefits like child benefit, tax credits, housing benefit, council tax discount.

At the point when they report for community duty, they'll have received at the minimum £7000 in JSA alone but since many receive other income or means tested benefits, this may be two, three, four or more times greater.

CKhalvashi

BigAunty wrote: »

Recent work experience does considerably improve a person's chances of securing employment. The longer a person is out of the workforce, the harder it is for them to re-enter it.

The poll on the Discussion Time forum shows that giving community placements to those claiming JSA for 2 years is very popular with forum members - nearly as 3 times as many people are in favour of the scheme than are against it.

Your view is that you only receive the equivalent of £2 an hour because you 'work' 30 hours and only get JSA, but do remember, that it would only kick in after 2 years of being on JSA, and many JSA claimants also receive benefits like child benefit, tax credits, housing benefit, council tax discount.

At the point when they report for community duty, they'll have received at the minimum £7000 in JSA alone but since many receive other income or means tested benefits, this may be two, three, four or more times greater.

Another point to remember is that following the 26 weeks of employment, there’s a good chance of being offered a job with the company. I’ve taken on several staff who have been drafted in by an agency for ‘4 weeks holiday/sickness cover’ who have been immediately looked upon when a permanent role has become available.

It’s all about the reasonableness of the employer, however I personally feel that if the ‘employee’ has done well and is offered a job, they should have NMW-JSA and tax deducted for the 26 weeks, even if there is no job offer. This will beat unscrupulous businesses who are trying to gain free staff.

BigAunty

CKhalvashi wrote: »

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It’s all about the reasonableness of the employer, however I personally feel that if the ‘employee’ has done well and is offered a job, they should have NMW-JSA and tax deducted for the 26 weeks, even if there is no job offer. This will beat unscrupulous businesses who are trying to gain free staff.

Yes, there should be a way built into the scheme to prevent any abuses like that.

However, if they are supposed to be community placements, then perhaps they are more like 'make work' schemes where there is no pretence of the possibility of direct employment by the organisation but the work experience is seen as something to increase employability.

So perhaps one way to prevent abuse by a company seeking a free source of labour is not to open it to commercial companies who can recruit from the open market anyhow.

But besides this, I remember seeing some documentaries about long term job seekers being offered job coaching and work experience, and to be honest, some of them were a complete shower and I'm not really sure the employer could have got much out of them!:rotfl:

I've seen some friends and relatives who have been long term unemployed or long term IB claimants and I've seen the corrosive effect this has on them, either because their spirits become low and they stop applying themselves to job seeking as their confidence is destroyed.

And sadly, the other type of corrosion, moral (makes me sound old fashioned) where some of my relatives have worked cash in hand on benefits and sublet their social housing properties, for example.

One of my relatives, who does actually have a good work ethic in fact, decided that after being made redundant, she was due a rest so she actively sabotaged her job seeking for a year plus. Also, she only wanted a part time job (no dependents, mind) and one close to her house despite the fact the main city and retail estates were only a bus or train hop away. She was telling this to me working full time and travelling 4 hours each day!

CKhalvashi

BigAunty wrote: »

Yes, there should be a way built into the scheme to prevent any abuses like that.

So perhaps one way to prevent abuse by a company seeking a free source of labour is not to open it to commercial companies who can recruit from the open market anyhow.

But besides this, I remember seeing some documentaries about long term job seekers being offered job coaching and work experience, and to be honest, some of them were a complete shower and I'm not really sure the employer could have got much out of them!:rotfl:

I think that working for charities would be one of the best options here. I worked for a charity from 2000-2002, which was rewarding, however on the horizons was the thing I really wanted to do, however that’s a completely different story!

If we could increase the amount of ‘staff’ on placements such as looking after disabled children (which was my role) for 4h/week each, say 5 placements and a 5h paperwork schedule each week, then this would work exceptionally well, and was actually something I hadn’t thought of.

We need to be placing these people in the hands of changing peoples lives, rather than being after the money and a permanent position. This would look great on my CV, however then comes the problem with what to do with those with an ‘underhand’ past.

I also think that this work should be done after, say, 6 months unemployed. 6 months out of work is long enough for crimes to appear on a record, especially with the younger generations, through boredom and peer pressure.

Back on the ‘skills for life’ end of this, whilst the childcare would be relevant, we need to have these people completing NVQ’s, learning to drive, etc. This would also boost the morale and employability of anyone in this position, which in turn would lower crime, lessening the need for police to be recruited. I’m not suggesting police officers become unemployed, I’m suggesting that when those retire, for, say, 5 years, we replace 2 in 3 of these.

I’ve just been talking with a taxi driver regarding the employability of those out of work (especially the younger generations), and we feel that increased employability would not only boost the morale of young people through work, but improve the economy as a whole.

There again, the only people in this world that know how to run the country are either driving taxis or cutting hair.....:rotfl:

Hammyman

exprog wrote: »

Would you care to list all the employers who will give jobs to everyone who wants one?

Yep. Pick any arable farm in Lincolnshire. They're all absolutely crying out for workers every harvest, pay above NMW and every year are up the creek without a paddle if eastern europeans don't come over to do the work nobody here apparently wants to.

hillendale

Hammyman wrote: »

Yep. Pick any arable farm in Lincolnshire. They're all absolutely crying out for workers every harvest, pay above NMW and every year are up the creek without a paddle if eastern europeans don't come over to do the work nobody here apparently wants to.

now now lets not put all our hard working East European chaps & girls on the dole pile

CKhalvashi

hillendale wrote: »

now now lets not put all our hard working East European chaps & girls on the dole pile

Ahahahahahahah!