Maternity Grant

Jo_R_2

Katyag wrote:

I totally agree but also think people who dont work shouldnt just get handed cash for a baby as like someone else said nothing to stop them sitting back having baby after baby after baby knowing they will get handed so much cash.

I agree with what yr saying in principle, but this would mean those babies born to such parents would have to go without? If they didn't have that money then how would they buy the baby stuff?

I totally see yr point though.

lottee

OK, I read it back & hands up I have sounded harsh, but I do stand by what I have said regarding my thoughts on all families being entitled.
I am aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, (just think mine is more important - joking! lol!) but reading some of the comments, it looked to me like people were 'having a go' at the OP, when all she is doing is trying to drum up support for something she believes in. No one is right or wrong, I know that, just individuals stating their beliefs.
!!!!!!, you say that India should of maybe took these things into consideration, rather than complaining, but you seem to be confused at what I said. I am also now confused.
Like I said in a previous post, life isn't fair and all that, can't see it making much difference by me signing a petition, but if you don't ask you don't get. It's not like I can have something taken off me - I don't get anything extra given to me apart from child benefit - which goes straight towards the nursery fee each month, but hey, that's a whole new thread!

Graham_Devon

Becles wrote:

I won't sign it as I don't think it should be paid to all mothers. It's a means tested benefit to help people in need. Do high income families really need £500 for baby things? Where is the extra money going to come from to pay for this? A rise in taxes, or by cutting other benefits?

I'm entitled to an opinion just like anyone else. It just might be different to your opinion.

I think it's only fair that all mothers should get it. Why shouldnt a single mother or couple who earns over a certain amoutn (if it's 25k its very low!) get the same as someone who chooses not to work?

That family working are putting the money into the pot for those who are not or are on a low income to take it.

It's called discrimination against the workers. Happens everywhere you look.

However, if everyone got it....tax would go up....errrrmmmm why don't you all just not have it!?

Oh and I see your being naughty again lottee :T

Becles

Graham_Devon wrote:

That family working are putting the money into the pot for those who are not or are on a low income to take it.

Everyone who pays taxes puts money into a pot for those on a low income or not working to take, across the whole scheme of benefits. I don't understand your logic behind this statement.

lottee

Crikey Mr Devon, I was gettin' all worried - I haven't 'seen' you around lately! Welcome back! All we need is Kelloggs & we've got a hat trick!

Right, 'Devon', ooohhh, 'discrimination' as you put it, what - you mean that because some of us work & don't get anything for 'nothing' that's discrimination ??!! Oh no, that is going to hit a nerve! You have been warned!

Graham_Devon

Becles wrote:

Everyone who pays taxes puts money into a pot for those on a low income or not working to take, across the whole scheme of benefits. I don't understand your logic behind this statement.

My logic is very simple. If they are putting into the pot, why are you against them taking it out of the pot like the other families do?

Graham_Devon

lottee wrote:

Crikey Mr Devon, I was gettin' all worried - I haven't 'seen' you around lately! Welcome back! All we need is Kelloggs & we've got a hat trick!

Right, 'Devon', ooohhh, 'discrimination' as you put it, what - you mean that because some of us work & don't get anything for 'nothing' that's discrimination ??!! Oh no, that is going to hit a nerve! You have been warned!

LOL I'm not gonna rise to your excitement, don't try to get me on your offending everyone rollercoaster

And pah, if you were worried about me you would have been there for me in my time of need I found some other arguments that I couldn't resist joining into. (and most exciting they were too, in a saddistic kinda way) and you werent around, so I fended for myself! Kellogs was around though!

Becles

Graham_Devon wrote:

My logic is very simple. If they are putting into the pot, why are you against them taking it out of the pot like the other families do?

Because the pot isn't big enough for every family to take what they want out of it, without raising taxes or cutting other benefit payments.

Graham_Devon

Becles wrote:

Because the pot isn't big enough for every family to take what they want out of it, without raising taxes or cutting other benefit payments.

Which means those who put into the pot are not eligible to take it out. Based on discrimination basically.

It's the same either way. One family has a baby and get's given £500. One has a baby and gets given £250. One has a baby and get's nothing.

Why? Because one family don't go to work they get more, because another do a struggle, they get half the family who don't go to work, and the other family have worked hard to get where they are so get nothing.

Maybe if more of them worked, the pot would be bigger?! Or am I being silly now?!

Yep, silly, thought so!

zoezoe_3

Graham_Devon wrote:

Which means those who put into the pot are not eligible to take it out. Based on discrimination basically.

It's the same either way. One family has a baby and get's given £500. One has a baby and gets given £250. One has a baby and get's nothing.

Why? Because one family don't go to work they get more, because another do a struggle, they get half the family who don't go to work, and the other family have worked hard to get where they are so get nothing.

Maybe if more of them worked, the pot would be bigger?! Or am I being silly now?!

Yep, silly, thought so!

This has nothing to do with working or not working. It is means testedm so whilst those who dont work are likely to qualify also so are those who do work but who dont earn very much. The whole tax system is bassed on ability to pay and assessed on earned income.

A few years ago this grant did not exist, the government wanted to encourage people to have children so created a generous grant and offered it to those in most need. And still that isnt enought everybody wants it !!

In order for all parents to receive this grant one of the following must happen.

1) reduce the grant to a low sum of money which is not likely to make a significant difference to the family

or

2) increase the tax paid by tax payers. Dont forget that not all tax payers have children.

So what would you prefer, a crappy grant for all or more tax paid by all ?

AND as for more people working - where will they work. There are only a certain number of jobs at anytime, more people applying for those jobs just serves to reduce salaries paid. You cannot have your cake and eat it.