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As I have said the argument I have is not whether you are better or worse off under the new proposals, but that in either case you are better of than a private sector worker on a similar salary if you both made the same contributions.
Then i'd argue are the roles comparable.. probably not, nor would the hoops and qualifications...
I've no problem with having equal pay and equal pension i'd be much better off... guess what, it probably isn't affordable..0 -
Under the old pension scheme (2007) a teacher on £35k would have to work for about 57 years to get a £25000 pension (good luck with that lol).
Under the new scheme a teacher would have to work 44 years... slightly more reasonable i hear you say. Good luck having all those grannys in the classroom.
Yes we have a good pension scheme but please don't forget that the pension scheme was already overhauled to make it sustainable (i.e it pays for itself). The government has not put money paid by teachers into a pension plan it has just sucked it up, and when there was a surplus you didn't see them offering to give it back.
Please use some common sense and realise that this public Vs private conflict that the govt has deftly set in motion is nothing but a way to get us to stop looking at where the big jobs are wasting money, where the banks are bankrupting us and where little people scream at each other instead of at the people really taking the pi$$.
Nope wrong there I look at public workers and think why am I subsidising their pensions, you can moan all you like about fat cats and bankers but when this Gov got in I wanted to see some fairness in pensions. The gov in my opinion have not gone far enough though public pension should be no better than the average private sector pension.
As for 68yr old teachers really do you not think of 1000's of jobs in the private (real world), sector where age is an issue? Bricklayer, carpet fitter, plumber? These guys won't be working at 68 in these trades just like teachers but whats wrong with them either waiting for their pension or getting a part time job?
Thats what already happens in the real world. I don't uinderstand why PC workers can't get their heads around it.0 -
My brother works for Stenna Drilling in Aberdeen, in the office, and it is one big party, lots of freebies, trips abroad on the company credit card, Derren Brown appeared at the last Chritsmas party, total cost of the party , 300 grand.
They have a private gym on site, free again, and a chef is also on site 24/7.
They also get a bonus in July and one in December which equates to 10 per cent of their annual salary, they also have a final salary pension.
It is easy money where my brother works.
Wonder if he can get me a job?.
Sounds great, but Stena Drilling are a profitable company and maybe they can afford such luxuries. I also work in the oil and gas sector and I can assure you that it is not a rosy as you proclaim. Maybe executives get all those perks but the average worker does not. I am not sure of the Stena pension scheme but I know a lot of similar companies where they only contribute a basic percentage of your wages into the fund and then match your contributions up to a maximum of say 5%.
I can assure you that if times get hard they will lay their workforce off very quickly as I am sure you have seen before if you live in Aberdeen.
If a private company was carrying as much percentage debt as the UK government I can guarantee their pension scheme would be very poorly funded as they would not be able to afford it and if the company went bust most of the pension pot would most likely go with it.0 -
Sounds great, but Stena Drilling are a profitable company and maybe they can afford such luxuries. I also work in the oil and gas sector and I can assure you that it is not a rosy as you proclaim. Maybe executives get all those perks but the average worker does not. I am not sure of the Stena pension scheme but I know a lot of similar companies where they only contribute a basic percentage of your wages into the fund and then match your contributions up to a maximum of say 5%.
I can assure you that if times get hard they will lay their workforce off very quickly as I am sure you have seen before if you live in Aberdeen.
If a private company was carrying as much percentage debt as the UK government I can guarantee their pension scheme would be very poorly funded as they would not be able to afford it and if the company went bust most of the pension pot would most likely go with it.
But universities run indepent of government...
And i'm glad you realise that jobs/company roles are not comparable... how on earth people are so blinded by figures plucked from obscurity is beyond me....
Some of you are luck, i'll been f**.. over in my private and my public... go figure...0 -
Stena are very good to all their employees, everyone shares in the success and i mean everyone. And it is their money to spend as they see fit.
It has to be said though, that they are excellent tax avoiders. I could tell you some stories about how they avoid tax.
apart from all the lavish entertaining.
Very clever it is, too.0 -
Then i'd argue are the roles comparable.. probably not, nor would the hoops and qualifications...
I've no problem with having equal pay and equal pension i'd be much better off... guess what, it probably isn't affordable..
I hear this argument a lot regarding comparable roles and that if a local council ceo were ceo of a private company then they would be earning a lot more, but quite frankly it does not compare as the performance expectations in a private company are much higher and if you dont perform you are out.0 -
I hear this argument a lot regarding comparable roles and that if a local council ceo were ceo of a private company then they would be earning a lot more, but quite frankly it does not compare as the performance expectations in a private company are much higher and if you dont perform you are out.
Why just CEO, what would you have them earn? 2ok...
Why not compare a Dr of Law who leactures Law or Dr Management who MBAs to their counterparts?
All i'm seeing is power and a race to the bottom, what next? the gov tacking even more from private pensions?0 -
Why just CEO, what would you have them earn? 2ok...
Why not compare a Dr of Law who leactures Law or Dr Management who MBAs to their counterparts?
All i'm seeing is power and a race to the bottom, what next? the gov tacking even more from private pensions?
No race to the bottom simply we are all living longer, private employees accept this, company's accept this, the only ones confused by it and too stubborn to lift their heads from the sand are public sector workers and the unions.
Race to the bottom is easy to say but most of us just want a bit of fairness.0 -
No race to the bottom simply we are all living longer, private employees accept this, company's accept this, the only ones confused by it and too stubborn to lift their heads from the sand are public sector workers and the unions.
Race to the bottom is easy to say but most of us just want a bit of fairness.
no race to the bottom? No increase in wages, reduced pension, increased contributions... where does it stop?
I can't agree PC are to stubborn, some private sector works need to walk a mile or 10 years in some of our shoes.... In fact i'll go further and say someone taught and create the systems that you rely on... Things like the world wide web, the internet, what do we get in return.....0 -
Well stop banging on about how good their pensions - not you in particualr stedwell - but cyclonebri1 who said his company was: "tight assed"What teach 30 challenging Year 11's until you are 66. I don't think so!
Besides, teaching isn't the only profession in the public sector, there's always medecine, policing, forensics, business management - you name it you can do it. Only one problemyou may need a few profssional qualifications, degree, and so on.
cheers
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