Unions and Pensions

Thicko2

Of course then Jem we will have to have confidence in Danny Alexandar (who has some massive EU pension as well as is MPs (well perhaps 3 more years worth) tolook forward to) on his deal for a generation of 25 years or so. We were told the 2007 changes did exactly this as identified broadly in Hutton.

Armed forces, when will the details on shifiting them from 0% contribution to something be coming forwards.

The key question is what is our levels of confidence in that? Example - by some miracle RPI versus CPI court challenge is won. Will government come back and renegoitate, i dont recall exact figures but something like a 90bn saving over time.

The overarching thing as a society we need to do in my mind is improve pensions for the private sector. I suspect NEST will move greater contributions from employer and employee over time like Austraila. We should learn from denmardk etc to reduce the ludicrous charging arrangements of the financial sector.

lvader

BobQ wrote: »

Do you consult a consumer lawyer everytime you have a consumer problem?

I sort it out myself, same with any employment issues. The only time I used a lawyer was to dictate my redundancy terms, part of which included the company paying for my lawyer!

jem16

Thicko2 wrote: »

We should learn from denmardk etc to reduce the ludicrous charging arrangements of the financial sector.

The article on Danish pension fund costs was highly flawed. It didn't compare like with like.

As to NEST at least it will force employer contributions but it's expensive and doesn't allow transfers.

antonic

In my 23 years of being a PCS member I have needed PCS help 3 times in my dealings with management, with the most serious problem being one that if I had been found guilty of, I would have lost my job.

So to me my union has been a worthwhile investment.

So I will be be voting for the strike on the 30th as surprisingly to certain posters I am capable of independent thought and of making my own decisions.

CLAPTON wrote: »

just out of curiosity
it what way is it the unions fault that one day you might need them?

Koicarp

antonic wrote: »

So I will be be voting for the strike on the 30th as surprisingly to certain posters I am capable of independent thought and of making my own decisions.

I think you will find you are perceived as either a blithering idiot or a looney lefty on here. As many posters think that you must be one of the above if you have a problem with being told you have to pay more, work longer and get less than you were promised.

antonic

I have been called worse in the line of duty in my job !

But I`m not really bothered about what other people think especially management !

Koicarp wrote: »

I think you will find you are perceived as either a blithering idiot or a looney lefty on here. As many posters think that you must be one of the above if you have a problem with being told you have to pay more, work longer and get less than you were promised.

CLAPTON

Koicarp wrote: »

I think you will find you are perceived as either a blithering idiot or a looney lefty on here. As many posters think that you must be one of the above if you have a problem with being told you have to pay more, work longer and get less than you were promised.

many reasonable people would conclude that pensions are a longish time problem; indeed many of the government's changes (e.g. pension age) are being phased in over a reasonale time frame

however, the increase in contributions of 3% (in the context of pay freezes for many) is over a short period of time and many reasonable people might conclude that this has little to do with long term pension reform but all to do with the budget deficient and the wish to get it down before the next election.

BobQ

lvader wrote: »

I sort it out myself, same with any employment issues. The only time I used a lawyer was to dictate my redundancy terms, part of which included the company paying for my lawyer!

Fair enough, you are fortunate to have the ability to do this although hopefully you will appreciate that not everyone is in this position and may even accept that they might need some help even if you may not approve of the source.

You are also fortunate that a firm that by definition no longer needs your services allows you to dictate your redundancy terms. I assime you must have had something on them .

atush

antonic wrote: »

In my 23 years of being a PCS member I have needed PCS help 3 times in my dealings with management, with the most serious problem being one that if I had been found guilty of, I would have lost my job.

So to me my union has been a worthwhile investment.

So I will be be voting for the strike on the 30th as surprisingly to certain posters I am capable of independent thought and of making my own decisions.

It is just your type of case that I mentionned that Unions can come into their stride for members. Given that these days the old bug bears of unsafe working conditions and employement law etc have been sorted out. So glad to see you got what you needed when you needed it.

Still dont' see why you need to strike though, esp if you have the intelligence to see that the current situation is untenable. But of course it is your right. But is not a requirmeent of your union membership.

Just don't be suprised when the public doesn't have your back.

Moby

antonic wrote: »

In my 23 years of being a PCS member I have needed PCS help 3 times in my dealings with management, with the most serious problem being one that if I had been found guilty of, I would have lost my job.

So to me my union has been a worthwhile investment.

So I will be be voting for the strike on the 30th as surprisingly to certain posters I am capable of independent thought and of making my own decisions.

Well said ...don't listen to the bitter individuals who are relishing the depreciation of public schemes because theirs have under performed.....and don't listen to the tendentious and smug nonsense that 'taxpayers' are paying for your pension. You are a taxpayer yourself! and in any event everyone pays for everyone else's pension because private company's factor in the costs of their pension liabilities when pricing their goods and services. This Government doesn't mention that because they want to divide and rule and as you can see from so many posters on here....they aggravate the lowest common denominator issues.....its the unions, benefit cheats, etc!...and remember the hourly earnings of union members, according to the LFS, averaged £14.00 in 2010, 16.7 per cent more than the earnings of non-members - £12.00 per hour(Labour Force Survey).

Its back to the 80's ......social unrest and huge youth unemployment!