why is Economy 7 day rate higher than the std tariff

HalloweenJack

he is saying that STANDARD electric costs is 12.83p , whereas his DAY RATE on E7 is 16.43p , and his NIGHT RATE is alot cheaper - thats what you get with Economy 7

gorspenyans

HalloweenJack wrote: »

he is saying that STANDARD electric costs is 12.83p , whereas his DAY RATE on E7 is 16.43p , and his NIGHT RATE is alot cheaper - thats what you get with Economy 7

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Sorry my friend I think you are [ understandably ] confused, your night can't be higher than your day and 4p between the rates is [ to me ] unheard of. Would you like to check your figures and get back and confirm !

sorry guys bit of a miss understanding , the prices are a reply to HappyMJ, they are standing charge fees. the power costs are in the first post

gorspenyans

even i am confused now! i have rechecked the figures quoted and I made an error on the standing charge (i quoted 12.83p and it should be 13.15p sorry)
to recap/correct things, for my area EDF's rates are:
standard tariff is 13.15p daily standing charge and 12.83p/kwh unit rate
Economy 7 tariff is 16.43p daily standing charge and 14.69p/kwh day rate and 5.56/kwh night rate.

All plus V.A.T.

many thanks for everyones input

dom300186

e7 should be for people who do not have gas central heating, ie the night time rate is dirt cheap to heat up or boost your storage heaters during the night to release the heat slowly in the day, so its best to get washing on and dryer etc on a timer during off peak time along with your storage heaters instead of the day and it will be cheaper.

chris1973

allways turn the output to the lowest setting to conserve teh heat you have when not in the house during the day

Yep, I know how storage heaters work. Even run correctly mine do basically !!!!!! all, other than extract large sums of money through Electricity Bills.

Damper is kept firmly closed religiously during heating periods and when the house is unoccupied (I even have a note on the bathroom door to remind me) and not opened until I return from work at 5PM / 8PM, living room temp last week with 4c outside was 12c inside when I returned home, by 7PM both storage heaters had managed to get room temp to 16c after 2 hours with damper output on '10' on both heaters, and during this period the house was uncomfortably cold

By 9PM the output from the storage heaters had dwindled and the casing was noticably cooling - stone cold at the bottom section, room temp had dropped back to 14c. So I faced a 4 hour period with a room temperature of 14c and dropping and literally no 'cheap' heating until the E7 period began again at 1.30AM, when i'd be in bed anyway.

I could either continue to sit freezing or use another form of heating for the rest of the night, unless your idea of 14c - 15c for sitting in and relaxing is a 'comfortable' room temperature, in which case Storage heating will suit you down to the ground, but in my situation and property they are nothing more than a background heating and anti-frost solution, and one which costs around £3.00 a night to produce.

I've rented several properties with storage heaters and although some have been better than my current one, i've yet to find a situation where they can continue to heat a room to a comfortable (19c - 21c) temperature, 15 - 17 hours after they switched off.

On days when I work until 8PM I dont run them at all, as by the time I get back at around 8.20pm, there is little left to come out when the the damper is opened, its just impossible for them to heat a room from cold with heat that has already been stored for nearly 12 hours.


So I could either switch on a 3kw convector heater, and pay £0.57p an hour or I could switch on a 3KW paraffin heater and pay £0.21 per hour - A no brainer really

My example is a living room with two storage heaters (3.4kw & 2.55kw) both with an input setting of '9' and damper closed from when I go to bed at around 12.30 / 1AM until I get back from work at 5PM. This was also based on a 'chilly' outside temperature of around 3c - 4c, god knows what its going to be like when its 'freezing' and -12c outside!

Like I said before, I'm sure that Storage Heaters have their place, in modern, super-insulated buildings nestled with other heated houses either side of them, but in a detached older building, you may as well take 6KW of heating out into your back garden and try and heat the birds in the trees.

Kilty_2

Storage heating heats my flat very well - although it is quite small.

What I'm more annoyed about is being on a three rate tariff with a special meter I can't change for a standard E7 one.

george1939

chris1973 wrote: »

Yep, I know how storage heaters work. Even run correctly mine do basically !!!!!! all, other than extract large sums of money through Electricity Bills.

Damper is kept firmly closed religiously during heating periods and when the house is unoccupied (I even have a note on the bathroom door to remind me) and not opened until I return from work at 5PM / 8PM, living room temp last week with 4c outside was 12c inside when I returned home, by 7PM both storage heaters had managed to get room temp to 16c after 2 hours with damper output on '10' on both heaters, and during this period the house was uncomfortably cold

By 9PM the output from the storage heaters had dwindled and the casing was noticably cooling - stone cold at the bottom section, room temp had dropped back to 14c. So I faced a 4 hour period with a room temperature of 14c and dropping and literally no 'cheap' heating until the E7 period began again at 1.30AM, when i'd be in bed anyway.

I could either continue to sit freezing or use another form of heating for the rest of the night, unless your idea of 14c - 15c for sitting in and relaxing is a 'comfortable' room temperature, in which case Storage heating will suit you down to the ground, but in my situation and property they are nothing more than a background heating and anti-frost solution, and one which costs around £3.00 a night to produce.

I've rented several properties with storage heaters and although some have been better than my current one, i've yet to find a situation where they can continue to heat a room to a comfortable (19c - 21c) temperature, 15 - 17 hours after they switched off.

On days when I work until 8PM I dont run them at all, as by the time I get back at around 8.20pm, there is little left to come out when the the damper is opened, its just impossible for them to heat a room from cold with heat that has already been stored for nearly 12 hours.


So I could either switch on a 3kw convector heater, and pay £0.57p an hour or I could switch on a 3KW paraffin heater and pay £0.21 per hour - A no brainer really

My example is a living room with two storage heaters (3.4kw & 2.55kw) both with an input setting of '9' and damper closed from when I go to bed at around 12.30 / 1AM until I get back from work at 5PM. This was also based on a 'chilly' outside temperature of around 3c - 4c, god knows what its going to be like when its 'freezing' and -12c outside!

Like I said before, I'm sure that Storage Heaters have their place, in modern, super-insulated buildings nestled with other heated houses either side of them, but in a detached older building, you may as well take 6KW of heating out into your back garden and try and heat the birds in the trees.

I could switch on a 3KW paraffin heater and pay £0.21 per hour - A no brainer really

These spew out lots of water, aids condensation and no use for chesty people you would feel warmer with the high humidity example well wrapped when walking in the rain in winter high humidity makes you warmer but not good for your health