Will things ever get easier for the common man?

tescobabe69

Going4TheDream wrote: »

And all the people I see hanging outside Wetherspoons at 09.30 waiting for a beer are unemployed....which all tax payers are funding......


So your point is exacly?

Irony bypass a success I assume?

sheffield_lad

wymondham wrote: »

I got fed up with fours years of no wage rise whilst the directors cars got newer and bigger whilst their weeks got shorter ... I'm now self-employed. Just really saying that if you don't like it then only one person can change it - life is too short to get bitter...

Exactly right, I was asked if I could volunteer to help people filling in debt forms and when I asked why they needed help the guy told me they found it difficult. I asked why and he told me they could not sit down and fill it in even though they could read the questions, I asked if the real reason was they could not be bothered to spend an hour reading it then filling it in and he told me errr yes they just end up not doing it.

Says it all, the can't be bothered who need spoon feeding. Yet they filled the loan application form out ok.

Ilya_Ilyich

Going4TheDream wrote: »

And all the people I see hanging outside Wetherspoons at 09.30 waiting for a beer are unemployed....which all tax payers are funding......


So your point is exacly?

Okay, let's say they are unemployed. They'll be paying a hefty amount of their income as tax nonetheless. Close to every penny they earn will be paid to local businesses, shops, bars, etc -- driving economic activity and growth. Alternatively the money could go to richer people (ignoring the income/wealth issue, pretty much everyone will be 'richer' than those on benefits) who will spend less of it, and that which they do spend will be on higher-quality good or services that are produced with less activity relative to their cost and thus stimulate less economic activity. So why is it so bad to give money to the unemployed?

howee wrote: »

Only my own view, I have worked 6 days a week for the last 15yrs, I have only ever had 4 days ill off work since I was 16, I have poured money into sharesaves and spent hours researching shares to put my money into as well as going back to uni in my 30's for a degree after leaving school with nothing.

I admire your work ethic and hopefully it has served you well. I just don't think it should be necessary for people to work as hard as you have in order to have a comfortable life.

chucknorris

Things will get easier, I'm comfortable now but in the last recession there were some bad times when you would begin to doubt yourself and your strategy (although deep down the strength to know you are doing the right thing was there). It's easy to get into the doomester frame of mind, but the economy is cyclical and will turn and we will see better times, so anyone having a bad time just try and dig deep and you will get through this, there will be better times ahead.

TruckerT

chucknorris wrote: »

the economy is cyclical and will turn and we will see better times, so anyone having a bad time just try and dig deep and you will get through this, there will be better times ahead.

I think there is a widely-held opinion that the banking failures were a one-off, as is the eurocrisis

Like I said earlier, take nothing for granted, and read the writing on the wall

TruckerT

sheffield_lad

I do think the banking crisis was a one off, we all knew before the crash we had to much personal debt and also knew the Public sector was too big but no one imagined how we got out of it.

As for the euro again the writing has been on the wall for years look at Irland they needed high interest rates to stem growth and could do nothing about the crash which this time everybody saw coming.

If only we could get the BBC a bit more cup half full, Victoria Derbyshire sounds like a communist these days lol

chucknorris

TruckerT wrote: »

I think there is a widely-held opinion that the banking failures were a one-off, as is the eurocrisis

Like I said earlier, take nothing for granted, and read the writing on the wall

TruckerT

I don't take anything for granted you have to learn to form your own opinions and don't be a sheeple.

Ilya_Ilyich

Financial crises are inevitable under a capitalist system as the contradictions inherent in the system come to `boiling points'. There may not be further crises identical to what we're experiencing right now but it's a certainty that there will be further crises. Whether they will reform capitalism to be more resilient or lead to a different economic system remains to be seen.

sheffield_lad

Ilya_Ilyich wrote: »

Financial crises are inevitable under a capitalist system as the contradictions inherent in the system come to `boiling points'. There may not be further crises identical to what we're experiencing right now but it's a certainty that there will be further crises. Whether they will reform capitalism to be more resilient or lead to a different economic system remains to be seen.

Whats the saying

Capitalism is Man Exploiting Man; Communism is just the opposite

Going4TheDream

tescobabe69 wrote: »

Irony bypass a success I assume?

Irony?

No, merely a recognition that anyone who has an income, however secured, can spend it as they choose.