Unpaid over time and contacted hours, is this legal?

Savvy_Sue

SarEl wrote: »

Excuse me but nobody said this. So where are all these people who say it??? Presumably down the pub having the night off???

You do get it said, not here so much, but as a suggestion for increasing income etc.

SarEl wrote: »

Sorry, _ i have every sympathy withe the Op, but if you take on two part-time jobs that is your problem to sort out. The employers don't have to or need to work it out between themselves - they don't care what othe employment you have.

The problems start though when you say to a new employer "I can't do Wednesdays and Thursdays because I already have a job on those days" and the employer takes no notice of this and puts you down to do those shifts regardless.

It sounds in this case (and for jess) as if the employer really wanted either a zero hours arrangement, or more hours with this role, or just more flexibility. Now, if an employer wants lots of flexibility they should spell that out, either in the job description or at interview. That way the people who can't or don't want to offer that flexibility can move on!

jess1974 wrote: »

i think i'm being conned to as i'm only accrueing holiday on my 3 hours a week when in reality i'm working around 15 hours a week.....

Yup, that too.

tori.k

dark_lady wrote: »

I have seen many adverts for part time jobs (some for as little as 8 hours) but then the adverts go on to say that you must be available for more (just in case) basically expecting you to exist on 8 hours money (poverty pay)

Its a way to stop you incurring holiday pay my contract hours dropped from 30hrs to 15 pw but im still working a 40hr week i have to bang in the overtime the month before if i want some leave or a face a really short month.

Fhler

dark_lady wrote: »

Why on earth are you on a pound less than the minimum wage?

Because I'm guessing with the commission I am supposed to earn, this bumps it back up?
Because it is a new store opening they were looking for people to fufill all contracts. You were asked to select how many hours you were interested in and I also mentioned it in the interview. I was assured this was fine and they understood.
There was more of us meant to be starting but quite a few now have dropped out or left so I know I'm not alone with thinking the company is a bit ridiculous especially since its meant to be a "luxury" brand. The thing is though for 8 hours a week its something I could just put up with if they could just get my hours right.

getmore4less

If you can't go on like this with extra hours interfereing with the other job no reason not to push back and only do what you can/want to do.

They are stuck if they are short of staff and they may capitulate on the worst of your issues if you can at least do some extra.

Check/record carefully the hours and pay, if under NMW make sure you are onto them about it.

shaven-monkey

Seek alternative employment.

You may be required to work more than 8 hours.
You may also request that such requirements are provided in writing 1 week in advance.
You may be able to come to an arrangement where you don't work weekends, that's between yourself and your employer.
It's all negotiable and as you have not signed the contract, it seems foolish to assume that you can't negotiate. The employer may assume they have the right under contract to hold you to terms, but no signature means no contract. If you don't work more than 8 hours and don't sign then the "contract" becomes you working for no more than 8 hours.
If they ask you to put in more hours, you ask for more money.

Seems there are so many scams and plans for getting around national minimum wage and employment rights these days... there should be some sort of law against it.

If the product is luxury, why not find a supplier and compete with this shower of idiots. More money for you and you can always use the same methods when you're hiring.

zzzLazyDaisy

shaven-monkey wrote: »

Seek alternative employment.


It's all negotiable and as you have not signed the contract, it seems foolish to assume that you can't negotiate. The employer may assume they have the right under contract to hold you to terms, but no signature means no contract.

This is incorrect advice.

The law does not require an employment contract to be signed. In continuing to work after receiving the contract, the employee is deemed to have accepted the terms of the contract by his conduct.

claire16c

jess1974 wrote: »

I'm beginning to regret taking the job on, the thing is if the advert had said friday nights, sundays etc i would'nt have bothered applying, as my hubby works monday to friday, but it said friday night for 3 hours, they ring me at home constantly to get me to cover other shifts, i find it difficult to say no so end up going in......I feel like i can't make any plans for the weekends because i know i'll be pressured to go in.

why dont you just not answer the phone?

And tell them sorry you have X planned.