CSA 3 New System

kingfisherblue

kingfisherblue wrote: »

Is there anywhere to find out how much the fees will be?

I've just found the answer to my question - I thought it might be useful for others:

http://gingerbread.org.uk/content.aspx?CategoryID=574

kevin137

kingfisherblue wrote: »

I've just found the answer to my question - I thought it might be useful for others:

http://gingerbread.org.uk/content.aspx?CategoryID=574

Now this is useful info, thank you for posting, i am sure that a lot of people who will be affected will find there way over there and maybe then more people will have a voice...!

I think it is disgusting that the charges can be avoided and don't think the charges are fair. If they cannot provide the service for free then it should be passed back to the courts with there enforceable powers and maybe then it will all be linked back together, so absent fathers will get the contact they so deserve, and feel a need to pay without griping, children grow up with 2 parents, and the mother gets the support they need...!

adamantine

fair enough for people having to pay to use the CSA if they are trying to screw each other over and PWC is trying to get more than NRP is offering privately or NRP is trying to get out of paying as much as the PWC is asking for but for those of us who have been told "ill pay if i have spare money. i have to look after myself first. you have your parents to give you money" its a slap in the face twice over. once by the NRP and once by the system.

the only people who will lose out with this system are the kids. fees are charged twice on the same case which is so wrong.

PreludeForTimeFeelers

I'm not defending it, but I think the reasoning behind it is that it costs the Government a lot of money to run the CSA, and they want some of the costs to be paid directly by the clients, rather than funded entirely by the tax-payer.

I still don't think that charging will come in, it's such a contentious issue that the MPs are worried what their constituents will say about them if they vote it in.

Blob

You have to remember what the CSA was set up for in the first place, it was nothing to do with getting money to the kids, or anything noble like that! It was simply to save the Gov money! The money was paid into a big pot then paid out to off set the Benefit bill, the money that a NRP paid did not go to the kids it was paid for. This has been changed over the years as so many people got up set and fought the system [wounder why]!

The system that it has evolved into now means that most if not all of the money paid out by the NRP goes to the PWC, so the Gov gets next to nothing from this and the Benefit bill is going through the roof, the world economic situation is not helping, or the fact that inflation is on the rise again 5%+. The result of this is that if you want the Gov to get the money then you will have to pay for this service [don't laugh it is a service in their view], this will go some way to off set the cost of running one of the worst systems ever conceived in this country, my opinion. It will eventually end up back in the hands of the Courts, as this will save money for the Gov as they have already sorted the Legal Aid out so that the chances of ever getting this is just about non-existent, it also stopped solicitors running up bill for writing letters complaining that the NRP has cut the nails of the child when asked to do so by the child as they are in pain and 'Mummy wont', don't laugh I got one, the Judge went off the wall at her, she had her legal aid certificate 'revoked' and had to pay her costs for a long time back!

I was also arrested at the behest of my ex, as well as having to get hospital treatment for the attacks that she made on me, these stopped when the police sat in my study and looking at my medals and unit shields on the wall asked if they were mine, and had my military history explained to them, they did not take it further, she claimed that I threw her across the room, funny thing if a 6'3" Royal Marine attacks you and throws you across the room you are expected to have at the very least a red mark where you were touched, yet it was me that had to go to hospital for an eye and throat injury! She did find a police officer that took her side, but when the Judge and the Professional Standards dpt of the Police had finished with him, he went from Sgt to out on his ear, how sad what a shame.

Sorry for the epilogue, but the sooner it goes back to Court and the Judges run the system the better it will be for everyone, as the money will be paid or action is taken there and then end of!

clearingout

I suspect that if 100 cases were randomly selected from the CSA system, we would find a good proportion of NRPs who are paying regularly, have paid regularly for years, and are doing so without a DEO in place. It is these people I think the CSA wants to stop having to work for. The thinking on charging is entirely logical - it assumes that most people want the best for their children and will come to an agreement between themselves and the NRP will, most of the time anyway, pay up at the point he/she is supposed to. We have built up a culture around maintenance whereby we all automatically seem to assume that the CSA have to be involved when a relationship breaks down. I suspect many PWC open cases 'cos they think exactly that, not because they are trying to damage the NRP in some way or get one over.

Charging, then, makes no sense to people who have this kind of case. So they will come away from the system. As a result, CSA costs are reduced and hopefully (this is my hope anyway), there is going to be more time and effort put into cases whereby the NRP isn't going to pay. I would also personally like to see some effort put into the criminal side of cases - such as DEOs not paid by employers were the NRP is his/her own employer, as well as much more collaboration between the CSA, the HMRC and other relevant government agencies. My ex has stayed off the radar, for example, by being clever and not registering his new address even with the likes of the DVLA - would be lovely to see all these agencies co-operate and come at him in one foul swoop with the fines they publicise but never seem to use.

I am inclined to agree that the system needs to go back to the courts. However, the court system is already over-burdened and it takes many months to get an appointment. If we add child maintenance into this, it is hard to imagine that it will cope. It is also worth noting that the CSA is forced to use the court system for those who won't pay anyway.

Blob

Again the fact is that those on CSA 1 and there are a few of us around, had no option but to go on the CSA system!

Yes the CSA has taken me to Court to try to get the arrears that they have admitted are down to them and they have paid out compensation for, the last visit has cost them some thing in the region of £7000. So as the Court found in my favor and the only reason for this case being brought is because they did not like the agreement that was made at a previous hearing, they have broken the Law so many times in my case that it has even gone to the Court of Appeal and a Law Lord made a decision that they have been stuck with and can do nothing about!

The reason for a DEO being put in place is because my ex did not like the way a Tribunal Judge took her to bits and then her and her 'current' husband have done everything in their power to make my life difficult. The number of times they have been taken apart by Judges is beyond belief, so it is not those who pay what they are supposed to that get hit by these people, this is beyond doubt as I have from my file an e-mail from the CEO's office that states without doubt that I was compliant, and they are at fault, this was sent to the Special Payment team. This then begs the question as to just why they took me back to Court? The first was to get the DEO overturned and had the support of the CEO's office as well! In the view of my MP it is because they have been hit very hard by me in the past and they now want Pay Back, they forgot the rest of the saying though and that is, it is a !!!!!! I am now in the process of taking their Barrister to the Bar Council to answer for lying on 2 separate occasions in Court, this will if upheld cost her, her job!

adamantine

the CSA hold the money taken from the NRP for a few days in their bank accounts to get the interest, in the same manner that banks hold cheque monies in a holding account for 3 days.

if they actually ran it properly and stopped wasting peoples time and energy then it wouldnt cost near as much as it does!

Blob

Not sure of exact figure and sure that someone will correct it, but it cost something like £1.50 to collect £1.00!

PreludeForTimeFeelers

Blob wrote: »

Not sure of exact figure and sure that someone will correct it, but it cost something like £1.50 to collect £1.00!

I believe it is 40p for every pound.