CSA 3 New System

kevin137

Hi all, i am a little worried for you all with the new system that keeps being talked about both here and other places.

What keeps popping up is the fact that the CSA or CMEC or any other name they choose to be known as, is that the only way to avoid PAYING them the fees for using there valuable service, is to claim that you are a victim of violence, and then they do not impose the fees on you for collection.

This being the case, surely that is discriminatory...!!!

And if it is in fact true, should the NRP also be able to claim they are a victim of violence...? And thus avoid the fees as well...? Or is it only the PWC that can do this....???

It is very concerning, but my stance on this, would be that if only 1 parent can claim it, it is very biased, very stupid, and downright unlawful...!

If i was subject to a claim in the UK now, i would be notifying the CSA of violence towards myself and that i fear for my safety. My reasoning for this would be when i left my wife i was in fact attacked by her, and did in fact call the police, when they attended, it was me who was accused of violence even though i was the person who called, i had scratches all over my neck and she had not a mark, yet i was the one removed from the family home, i was the one in handcuffs etc etc. They saw sense in the end, but the whole system is aimed at protecting woman and PWC. I am not saying that they don't deserve to be protected, but keep an open mind.

I hope that the government aren't going to favour the so called weaker sex in this, and take there word that you are violent, as with all government agencies, once labelled and all that....

What are your views on this...???

CSA_Help

Im sure they would need documented proof that violence has taken place. But knowing them they would just take someones word for it.

kb92830

Kevin, I too was removed by the police after having been invited round by my ex to discuss things. Nothing happened but she called the police, I was arrested, in the car back to the police station they stated that they had removed me for my own good. At the station I was immediately de-arrested and they said don't go round again even if asked too. To be fair to them looking back I can see their point, ie. do not put yourself in a position where you could be accused of something.

jarhead66

i know exactly where you are coming from. I think that alot of women will say that they have been in a violent relationship just to avoid the charges and to make the NRP pay the fees, Alot of women will go on the phone to the csa a few tears and a tissue and the csa will fall for it. I too was assaulted a number of times by my ex i have a number of scars on the back of my neck and my face which tend to show up when i get a tan, she also broke a few ribs and the worst thing that she did to me was punch me full in the face when i was asleep. i reported non of this as alot of blokes don't. i know that she has told social services that i was violent and a drug user who fell for her lies!! I honestly think that this domestic violence thing will open a can of worms as the csa will say to the PWC "I shouldn't be telling you this but if you say that you are a victim of domesitic violence then you don't get charged!" As everyone know the csa if all geared up for the PWC and not the NRP all you had to do was look on there website and it was full of information for the PWC all that was on for the NRP was what would happen if you don't pay. When my time comes to go onto the new scheme i am expecting allsorts of trouble as i am still on the old scheme so i pay about £46 aweek more than what i will on the new scheme, So i expect that my car will get it and another smear campaing, My ex will say that my son will be loosing out when the only people who will loose out are the local pub, booze busters and costcutters:beer::beer:

clearingout

whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there has yet to be released any guidance on how they are going to manage this particular aspect of the new system so don't get beyond yourselves. I would think that the ins and outs of this will be consulted on (eventually) - mainly in conjunction with the domestic violence leaders but also those groups involved in parental rights. These are people who know what some PWC are capable of and I would be very, very surprised if the waivering of fees was limited to a simple report of violence by the PWC.

Of course, this waivering of fees as far as I understand only applies to the fee the CSA are going to charge to open the case. It does not apply to on-going fees for (mal)administration. It is assumed that those PWC fleeing genuine domestic violence situations will do so with only the clothes on their backs and the cash they have in their purses. As such, they have no cash available to pay for fees.

As for bogus claims of violence by the PWC, I can assure you it works the other way. At 19 weeks pregnant, I was subjected to a mild, but nasty attack by my ex including being slapped and having a car door pushed into my pregnant stomach. He then called the police and told them he had been attacked by me which lead to my arrest and several hours spent in a police custody suite. It came to nothing and the police were nothing if not courteous and somewhat embaressed by the whole situation but they did their job.

Not to deny that men are indeed abused by women partners (sounds horrendous, jarhead), you should commit to memory the statistics on this issue: 2 women a week are murdered by a partner or ex partner in the UK. Not something we should make light of or indeed, be proud of.

PreludeForTimeFeelers

As ClearingOut has said, the whole charging aspect is still up in the air, and is something that WON'T apply to the future scheme initially, as it still hasn't been signed off ministerially, so let's worry about that when it has been decided on.

kevin137

I am not saying that this is something that should be overlooked or ignored, i just wanted peoples views and a discussion on it...!

Maybe some good can come from it by way of input from people who actually have to deal with it rather than groups of "do-gooders" who have most likely not lived through the stresses and strains of violence and the CSA.

Just thought a good time to discuss what will inevitably come to some of us...!

Also, i know men can be just as devious if not more than women, so don't think this is aimed at women... There are just as many men who make it there lives work to avoid the CSA and they should be dealt with appropriately as well...!

skibadee

Also men who have been victims of domestic violence are less likely to admit it.

kingfisherblue

My ex has to pay via a DEO, because he has been non-compliant in the past. It took four and a half years to get maintenance from him. I would hope that I don't have to pay any admin fees to receive the CM this way, because it really isn't my fault that he was non-compliant.

clearingout

kingfisherblue wrote: »

My ex has to pay via a DEO, because he has been non-compliant in the past. It took four and a half years to get maintenance from him. I would hope that I don't have to pay any admin fees to receive the CM this way, because it really isn't my fault that he was non-compliant.

You will have to pay admin fees, yes.

kingfisherblue

clearingout wrote: »

You will have to pay admin fees, yes.

Thank you.

It seems unfair when it is my ex that is non-compliant. I take it that he will also have to pay fees? Is there anywhere to find out how much the fees will be?