the young unemployed

Going4TheDream

embob74 wrote: »

Every hotel I have stayed at in the past 2 years has been staffed in the majority by eastern europeans. I know this as they talk to you and will tell you where they are from. I have nothing against EU people working here, they seem to have a great work ethic judging from the ones I know.

I agree, many are very open and friendly and willing to go out of their way to help, perhaps it is their reputation for having a good work ethic that secures them jobs over young unemployed British workers?

michaels

I am very nervous with this as I think it might be true and, I feel like I am being racist for thinking it, may also be correct. My gut tells me that those raised in England are less likely to get up at god awful o clock on a Saturday or Sunday morning to stand in the cold waiting for a bus to spend the day cleaning bathrooms than those who have grown up in a country where there is more real as opposed to relative poverty. I am sure this is not true for the majority but if I was the employer in question would I let it cloud my judgement?

Going4TheDream wrote: »

I agree, many are very open and friendly and willing to go out of their way to help, perhaps it is their reputation for having a good work ethic that secures them jobs over young unemployed British workers?

globalds

For the last 50 years every task in every industry I can think of has become more productive.

From 38 ton artics delivering your food to ATM machines in banks ...There is more done , but less labour needed ..It is a trend and will continue.

There will be an ever reducing percentage of profitably employed people in society.

This is something we should really by now be getting used to.

heathcote123

Mrs_Bones wrote: »

You can't do it by looks or accent alone.

I think you can do it by accent alone.. at least in the vast majority of cases.

Loanranger

My mum lives in a private care home. Overseas nationalities represented are: Filipino x3, South African, Indian, German, Russian, Japanese. The Home pays above the minimum rate, it's a well decorated and very well furnished upmarket place, on a bus route.
I cannot understand why the local folks are not taking the jobs. They are usually below the optimum staffing level in all roles.

Loanranger

To add, as far as I know there are no Europeans at my mother's Home so the staff from overseas are from places other than Europe would not have automatically been entitled to work in the UK.

Going4TheDream

michaels wrote: »

I am very nervous with this as I think it might be true and, I feel like I am being racist for thinking it, may also be correct. My gut tells me that those raised in England are less likely to get up at god awful o clock on a Saturday or Sunday morning to stand in the cold waiting for a bus to spend the day cleaning bathrooms than those who have grown up in a country where there is more real as opposed to relative poverty. I am sure this is not true for the majority but if I was the employer in question would I let it cloud my judgement?

As an employer your obligation would be to make the right choice for your business needs (whilst ensuring you don't break any laws) In this instance you would be testing someones potential commitment to the job and making any decisions based on that. ( I would schedule the interviews for early on the weekend as a test to commitment and see how many turned up for starters but I am evil like that!:D )


Slightly digressing a couple of years ago I went to deliver a training course in Naas, the dealer principle told me that they were recruiting for a supervisor but it was necessary that the successful person would need to speak Polish as they had so many Polish technicians who were good at the job but had limited English. How could the Irish guys with the skills to do the job compete with the language barrier?

bendix

As a 'young person' during the bleak years of the 1980s, I can categorically state the figures were a lot worse then, and somehoe things got much better relatively quickly.

We forget that economies boom and bust all the time, despite Gordon's bold claim to have defeated the inevitable forces of history. Just because we're in it now, doesn't mean it will be forever thus.

IronWolf

michaels wrote: »

Interesting that some people immediately assume that a comment re nationality relates to race. I have worked cleaning toilets and labouring on building sites and do not judge people based on the job they do unlike others seem to, so I tend to converse with those who are serving me coffee or scanning my shopping rather than treating them as menial automons who are beneath me to have a conversation with.

May be we should look at why 80% can find jobs - may be they looked at their education as a chance to move forward rather than a chore to be avoided and have an attitude of wanting to work doing whatever is available rather than only being interested in certain jobs paying more than a certain salary?

Well its not 80% in employment, because a lot of them are in FT education hence not unemployed.

IronWolf

bendix wrote: »

As a 'young person' during the bleak years of the 1980s, I can categorically state the figures were a lot worse then, and somehoe things got much better relatively quickly.

We forget that economies boom and bust all the time, despite Gordon's bold claim to have defeated the inevitable forces of history. Just because we're in it now, doesn't mean it will be forever thus.

But the NEET rate of young people was on the rise well before the recession hit, that only made it worse.