the young unemployed

ukcarper

michaels wrote: »

And yet in every supermarket and bar you get served by young people from other countries either from Europe or students from further afield - why can they find jobs and yet British young people can not?

I don't think that is true.

Going4TheDream

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't think that is true.

Perhaps it rather depends on the jobs I think- I do notice certain jobs like cleaners in shopping centres, in service stations and often hotel chamber maids in a number of hotels, are filled predominantly with non British or non English speaking as a first language. Generally the more unskilled jobs, behind the scenes kind of jobs, perhaps that is why its not always noticed?

ukcarper

Going4TheDream wrote: »

Perhaps it rather depends on the jobs I think- I do notice certain jobs like cleaners in shopping centres, in service stations and often hotel chamber maids in a number of hotels, are filled predominantly with non British or non English speaking as a first language. Generally the more unskilled jobs, behind the scenes kind of jobs, perhaps that is why its not always noticed?

I think it depend where you are.

Ilya_Ilyich

The problem is obviously that poor people aren't poor enough. Only by making people poorer can we finally become a rich country once again.

Mrs_Bones

michaels wrote: »

And yet in every supermarket and bar you get served by young people from other countries either from Europe or students from further afield - why can they find jobs and yet British young people can not?

Always curious when people bring up the question of people working in shops etc who on the face of it are from another country and question why they are working there rather than a British young person.

No denying there are people from other countries coming here to work, just as there are people from here going abroad to work, swings and roundabouts. Yet unless someone stops to chat with a person working it's really all guess work about where they are from. I know quite a few people in local shops who are definitely of ethnic origin and don't have a British accent yet I also know they are 2nd and 3rd generation British citizens. Britain is a multicultural country now, how can anyone tell on face value whether a young person in work is not a British citizen? You can't do it by looks or accent alone.

vivatifosi

lemonjelly wrote: »

I'm not connexions biggest champion, but I can't help but feel that some of the action being taken is a False Economy.

A question for you jelly. Why aren't you one of their champions?

I think the issue with connexions is that they operate across the same ground as other agencies: Job Centre+, other: careers, health, training etc. It's an easy thing to cut if the government can say "well yes we are cutting it, Labour has put us in the position where we have to, but young people can still go here for x and there for y".

embob74

My eldest is a NEET and it's so disheartening. She wants to be doing her A levels but the school refused to let her and no colleges have places left.
Connexions were not a lot of use to her tbh. We saw a man who was very nice but ineffectual. He actually works at the school she was at and yet she had never met him before. He went over everything we had already tried to find a college place and then a job for her and the duplication was a waste of everybody's time.
No doubt the JC will get her an apprenticeship which is of no use to her but will tick the boxes and aid their statistics.
It's a depressing world out there right now :-(

michaels

Interesting that some people immediately assume that a comment re nationality relates to race. I have worked cleaning toilets and labouring on building sites and do not judge people based on the job they do unlike others seem to, so I tend to converse with those who are serving me coffee or scanning my shopping rather than treating them as menial automons who are beneath me to have a conversation with.

May be we should look at why 80% can find jobs - may be they looked at their education as a chance to move forward rather than a chore to be avoided and have an attitude of wanting to work doing whatever is available rather than only being interested in certain jobs paying more than a certain salary?

Mrs_Bones wrote: »

Always curious when people bring up the question of people working in shops etc who on the face of it are from another country and question why they are working there rather than a British young person.

No denying there are people from other countries coming here to work, just as there are people from here going abroad to work, swings and roundabouts. Yet unless someone stops to chat with a person working it's really all guess work about where they are from. I know quite a few people in local shops who are definitely of ethnic origin and don't have a British accent yet I also know they are 2nd and 3rd generation British citizens. Britain is a multicultural country now, how can anyone tell on face value whether a young person in work is not a British citizen? You can't do it by looks or accent alone.

embob74

Mrs_Bones wrote: »

Always curious when people bring up the question of people working in shops etc who on the face of it are from another country and question why they are working there rather than a British young person.
No denying there are people from other countries coming here to work, just as there are people from here going abroad to work, swings and roundabouts.
Britain is a multicultural country now, how can anyone tell on face value whether a young person in work is not a British citizen? You can't do it by looks or accent alone.

Every hotel I have stayed at in the past 2 years has been staffed in the majority by eastern europeans. I know this as they talk to you and will tell you where they are from. I have nothing against EU people working here, they seem to have a great work ethic judging from the ones I know.

Loanranger

Connexions are the Careers Service, aren't they? Didn't the previous government decide to dilute their expertise by, for example, a requirement that they accompany disaffected young people to the shops to buy them a pair of trainers?
The real villains of the piece are the previous labour government who dumbed down qualifications, left a trillion pound debt in their wake, and shirked their responsibilities on every level.
It is self evident that recessions are cyclical. This will pass as the others have but this time the taxpayers will be left with a generation who have a huge sense of entitlement with little idea about their responsibilities and who get their career aspirations from watching X Factor.