Need to complain to school

msb5262

I'm a primary school teacher: we provide left-handed scissors throughout the school - and in 21 years of teaching, every school I have worked in has done the same.

I always check who is left-handed when organising seating in order to avoid elbow clashes with right-handed neighbours, and have never yet heard of children struggling with the computer mouse due to it being set up for right-handers.

My DD is left-handed and uses the mouse at home on conventional settings, as do the 5 left-handers in my class.
All 31 children in my class use the mice in the ICT suite at school on conventional settings and not one of them has any problem doing so.
Ironically it's probably the fine motor skill at which they are most expert...

HTH

MsB

milliebear00001

Poppy9 wrote: »

The poster I quoted, a teacher, was the person who said how the pupils behaved. I commented what a lovely insight into the classroom it was and how different to my days in school/college.

You snidely insinuated that poor behaviour is the result of poor teacher managment, and judged the whole of state educational discipline on the basis of that post.

My DD was on the receiving end of "behaviour management" in primary school. This meant teacher would move disruptive pupils next to her in the hope that her good behaviour would rub off on them and then I had DD complain about how they disturbed her!

Perhaps the well behaved children were moved next to your daughter in the hope their behaviour would rub off on her!

Plus she could never work out why badly behaved children were rewarded when the ocassionally behaved but well behaved children weren't. When I was in school badly behaved children were sent to stand in the corner (though no dunces hat) to reflect on their behaviour or to stand outside the door they weren't given stars or medals.

Why do you assume this doesn't happen now? Oh, yes, because you have experience of your kids' schools and so have an insight into all classroom practice don't you?

At secondary level, all the classes she was streamed in the learning enviroment was much better. Maybe it was the teachers had higher expectations of the pupils and they lived up to it.

At A levels now I'm not impressed when I hear of a teacher chucking a pupils bag out of the window for a laugh and trying to be their "mate" etc. They are all saying "he's a good laugh but he doesn't teach us much".

No idea what they relevance of that is. Perhaps you just chose poor schools with rubbish teachers for your children.

I wouldn't be phased by a large classroom of children because I'm not the sort of person who is phased by things like that.

Yes you would. You are already fazed by one description of low level disuption described in an earlier post. I'd love to see you up against a few runaways and chair throwers!

I've helped at afterschool clubs, run the school discos at primary every year while DD there, been chaperone at swimming galas, drama and dance shows etc. I was always asked to be a chaperone as I was known for having the best behaved group, and there were some confident, challenging children at these events (oh and pushy mums).

LOl, LOL, LOL! Any idea how this makes you sound? Yep, you're clearly well-qualified to cope day in day out with classes of stroppy teenagers. Why on Earth do we even need this silly training they keep demanding of would-be teachers!

Have a party in my honour though and I'd die as I hate being centre of attention.

Anyway off topic. It's no big deal swapping the buttons on a mouse and if a pupil requests it I can't see why a school would object.

Despite the fact that several teachers have already said exactly the opposite, and clearly described how it IS a big deal to do this each lesson. How horrendously arrogant of you to assume you know better than they how a classroom runs.

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Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

I feel bad - OH is a lefty and I've not once thought about how difficult certain things must be. oops !

Poppy9

milliebear00001 wrote: »

The poster I quoted, a teacher, was the person who said how the pupils behaved. I commented what a lovely insight into the classroom it was and how different to my days in school/college.

You snidely insinuated that poor behaviour is the result of poor teacher managment, and judged the whole of state educational discipline on the basis of that post.

Nothing snide about my comments.

My DD was on the receiving end of "behaviour management" in primary school. This meant teacher would move disruptive pupils next to her in the hope that her good behaviour would rub off on them and then I had DD complain about how they disturbed her!

Perhaps the well behaved children were moved next to your daughter in the hope their behaviour would rub off on her!

That's constructive of you. I know my child, I know her behaviour. Always a model pupil according to her teachers from Nursery to Y12. The usual comment being "I wish I had a classroom full like her" but I like your childish response of throwing insults at my DD. Very mature.


Plus she could never work out why badly behaved children were rewarded when the ocassionally behaved but well behaved children weren't. When I was in school badly behaved children were sent to stand in the corner (though no dunces hat) to reflect on their behaviour or to stand outside the door they weren't given stars or medals.

Why do you assume this doesn't happen now? Oh, yes, because you have experience of your kids' schools and so have an insight into all classroom practice don't you?

Yes it does happen now. Look around some of these boards and you will find threads discussing it. Talk to family, friends and work colleagues and again you will hear them talking about it. I believe they call it rewarding good behaviour but normally well behaved children do not feel recognised.

The YOT teams that work with pupils at risk of getting in to trouble take youths on days out. A headteacher asks how he is supposed to justify that to the whole school who see the trouble makers being "rewarded" in their eyes by a day out.


At secondary level, all the classes she was streamed in the learning enviroment was much better. Maybe it was the teachers had higher expectations of the pupils and they lived up to it.

At A levels now I'm not impressed when I hear of a teacher chucking a pupils bag out of the window for a laugh and trying to be their "mate" etc. They are all saying "he's a good laugh but he doesn't teach us much".

No idea what they relevance of that is. Perhaps you just chose poor schools with rubbish teachers for your children

Perhaps my DD has attended/is in the top schools in the LEA. I could be rude and agressive like yourself and say maybe rubbish teacher are all there are these days but that would be an injustice to the teachers who want to teach and do a good job.



I wouldn't be phased by a large classroom of children because I'm not the sort of person who is phased by things like that.

Yes you would. You are already fazed by one description of low level disuption described in an earlier post. I'd love to see you up against a few runaways and chair throwers!
Why do only some teachers have problems with runaways and chair throwers. Ask anyone and they will tell you that some pupils only play up certain teachers. Not sure which low level you were referring to about be bing fazed by unless you meant I found it inappropriate that a teacher threw a bag out of the window. That's a teacher not a pupil!


I've helped at afterschool clubs, run the school discos at primary every year while DD there, been chaperone at swimming galas, drama and dance shows etc. I was always asked to be a chaperone as I was known for having the best behaved group, and there were some confident, challenging children at these events (oh and pushy mums).

LOl, LOL, LOL! Any idea how this makes you sound? Yep, you're clearly well-qualified to cope day in day out with classes of stroppy teenagers. Why on Earth do we even need this silly training they keep demanding of would-be teachers!

Do you know how aggressive, defensive and patronising you sound? See I'm tempted to make a very sarcy comment here, but I am resisting, even resisting my own LOL because according to my teenage daughter I'm too old to say LOL.

Have a party in my honour though and I'd die as I hate being centre of attention.

Anyway off topic. It's no big deal swapping the buttons on a mouse and if a pupil requests it I can't see why a school would object.

Despite the fact that several teachers have already said exactly the opposite, and clearly described how it IS a big deal to do this each lesson. How horrendously arrogant of you to assume you know better than they how a classroom runs.

Horrendously arrogant, climb down off your high horse. I really don't see how two clicks are a big deal aside from the issue of controlling the class. I work on a networked computer, I am limited in what I can change as I'm not an adminstrator. One thing I can do though is access my mouse, put the icon on my toolbar and alter it from one default to another.

As a former pupil I have an insight into how a classroom is run. We have all come through the education system, we all have our school days experience. Also as a parent who has taken a great interest in my DD education and volunteered throughout in school to help not only my own child but other children for zero financial reward I've seen how classrooms are run. Some superbly and some mmmh. Some teachers just instill respect and discipline in their classrooms and others seem to be constantly battling. Same pupils moving throughout the school years. It's always been the case. Pupils know which teachers to play up.

Perhaps other parents don't talk to you so freely about what they feel about behaviour in schools from witnessing their child's education experience in comparison to theirs because you are so aggressive and defensive.

A teacher brought up on this thread how unruly pupils can behave in the classroom and it seems to be accepted that it's okay so we'll accommodate them and you've gone off on a rant where you've sought to personally insult not just me but my DD.

milliebear00001

Poppy9 wrote: »

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Perhaps other parents don't talk to you so freely about what they feel about behaviour in schools from witnessing their child's education experience in comparison to theirs because you are so aggressive and defensive.

A teacher brought up on this thread how unruly pupils can behave in the classroom and it seems to be accepted that it's okay so we'll accommodate them and you've gone off on a rant where you've sought to personally insult not just me but my DD.

I know exactly how you will be discussed in the staffrooms of your children's schools - your 'type' is all too familiar.

Your posts display a singular, and continued arrogance about your own abilities and understanding, and a gross disrespect for the job teachers do. You clearly have issues with the schools you come into contact with as a parent. You think you know everything there is to know about the classroom and teaching and learning, but actually know very little. You feel qualified to judge how good a job teachers are doing on the basis of that lack of understanding. You feel you could do a much better job; that you can tell an experienced teacher how they should be organising their classrooms/disciplining their classes, without ever having been in a classroom for any length of time or taught a class. You see teachers with classes with problem behaviour as to blame for that, and as such, you absolve poor parents from responsibility for bringing up their children to behave in school.

If you feel I've insulted your daughter, I suggest it you who are defensive, although I accept that I have deliberately insulted you - that was justifed as the insults are correct.

Tell you what, when you've run your own classroom for a year, with several children with special needs, a couple who like to abscond or throw chairs, and a few more who routinely try to use 'low level' tactics to derail your lessons; then come back and post your thoughts on setting up computers for left handers every lesson and maybe I'll take you a bit more seriously.

i.like.cats

mikeandrach wrote: »

...im a bloke so cut me some slack.

No. You developed your masculinity, i suggest you learn to improvise. You're not special and you don't deserve special treatment. Stop making excuses for yourself

Poppy9

milliebear00001 wrote: »

I know exactly how you will be discussed in the staffrooms of your children's schools - your 'type' is all too familiar.

Good to know they have nothing better to talk about but yes I am the type that will speak up when needed and I will speak directly to the person concerned, not behind their back and not at the school gate. However I would try to be constructive and work with the person I had an issue with, not resort to insults or talking behind their backi

milliebear wrote:

Your posts display a singular, and continued arrogance about your own abilities and understanding, and a gross disrespect for the job teachers do.

And yours display a complete lack of open mindedness to the possibility that all is not as it should be with the education system.

milliebear wrote:

You clearly have issues with the schools you come into contact with as a parent. You think you know everything there is to know about the classroom and teaching and learning, but actually know very little. You feel qualified to judge how good a job teachers are doing on the basis of that lack of understanding. You feel you could do a much better job; that you can tell an experienced teacher how they should be organising their classrooms/disciplining their classes, without ever having been in a classroom for any length of time or taught a class. You see teachers with classes with problem behaviour as to blame for that, and as such, you absolve poor parents from responsibility for bringing up their children to behave in school.

You are making it up as you go along to try to justify your aggression and defensiveness. As "client" be it a pupil, parent, service user etc. yes I am allowed to judge if I feel I'm receiving the a good service. I have not said anywhere I could do better, I've just picked up that some teachers could do better. You know they could as well as I do. There are good and bad in all professions. To be a good teacher you have to be able to control a class. Some teachers cannot control classes, others can. If a teacher cannot control a class then they are at fault.

milliebear wrote:

If you feel I've insulted your daughter, I suggest it you who are defensive,

I don't feel I know you have.

milliebear wrote:

although I accept that I have deliberately insulted you - that was justifed as the insults are correct.

I've tried to keep all my posts from being personal insults as I don't know you from Adam. I am disappointed though that someone who is an educator resorts to insults to get their point across, I would have hoped you would be more constructive. Then again you've already admitted you "!!!!!" about parents in the staff room.

shegirl

Poppy9 wrote: »

The poster I quoted, a teacher, was the person who said how the pupils behaved. I commented what a lovely insight into the classroom it was and how different to my days in school/college.

My DD was on the receiving end of "behaviour management" in primary school. This meant teacher would move disruptive pupils next to her in the hope that her good behaviour would rub off on them and then I had DD complain about how they disturbed her! Plus she could never work out why badly behaved children were rewarded when the ocassionally behaved but well behaved children weren't. When I was in school badly behaved children were sent to stand in the corner (though no dunces hat) to reflect on their behaviour or to stand outside the door they weren't given stars or medals.

At secondary level, all the classes she was streamed in the learning enviroment was much better. Maybe it was the teachers had higher expectations of the pupils and they lived up to it.

At A levels now I'm not impressed when I hear of a teacher chucking a pupils bag out of the window for a laugh and trying to be their "mate" etc. They are all saying "he's a good laugh but he doesn't teach us much".

I wouldn't be fazed by a large classroom of children because I'm not the sort of person who is fazed by things like that. I've helped at afterschool clubs, run the school discos at primary every year while DD there, been chaperone at swimming galas, drama and dance shows etc. I was always asked to be a chaperone as I was known for having the best behaved group, and there were some confident, challenging children at these events (oh and pushy mums).

Have a party in my honour though and I'd die as I hate being centre of attention.

Anyway off topic. It's no big deal swapping the buttons on a mouse and if a pupil requests it I can't see why a school would object.

Totally different to being with a group of 30 teens as their teacher!

JC9297

Poppy9 wrote: »

Then again you've already admitted you "!!!!!" about parents in the staff room.

Surely it doesn't surprise you school staff 'discuss' certain parents! Just like people in any other job that deals with the public they talk to their colleagues about difficult customers.

milliebear00001

Poppy9 wrote: »

Good to know they have nothing better to talk about but yes I am the type that will speak up when needed and I will speak directly to the person concerned, not behind their back and not at the school gate. However I would try to be constructive and work with the person I had an issue with, not resort to insults or talking behind their backi

And yours display a complete lack of open mindedness to the possibility that all is not as it should be with the education system.

You are making it up as you go along to try to justify your aggression and defensiveness. As "client" be it a pupil, parent, service user etc. yes I am allowed to judge if I feel I'm receiving the a good service. I have not said anywhere I could do better, I've just picked up that some teachers could do better. You know they could as well as I do. There are good and bad in all professions. To be a good teacher you have to be able to control a class. Some teachers cannot control classes, others can. If a teacher cannot control a class then they are at fault.

I don't feel I know you have. I've tried to keep all my posts from being personal insults as I don't know you from Adam. I am disappointed though that someone who is an educator resorts to insults to get their point across, I would have hoped you would be more constructive. Then again you've already admitted you "!!!!!" about parents in the staff room.

Damned right we do! Otherwise we'd be driven nuts and give you a mouthful at the classroom door - we are human you know!

Oh, and you're not my 'client' - God what a horrible term - your child is, and while I will work my fingers to the bone for them (and do) you don't have any right at all to comment on my professional judgement, unless, in your view, your child has suffered in some way at my hands. Then, you are allowed to query, and discuss your concerns. You are certanly not allowed to comment on how I do my job, how I deal with behaviour, or how I organise my classroom - anymore than you'd accept me walking into your office and throwing my weight around.

Please do quote the bit where I said all teachers were perfect and nothing could possibly need changing. You can't because I didn't say that. What I did write, was that you are wrong in your assertion that changing computer settings for left-handers is a simple and necessary procedure. I was not the only teacher here to state that - but clearly, you feel the need to keep on asserting it, even when the people who do the job, day-in-day out, tell you otherwise.