Brain 'rejects negative thoughts'

Really2

abaxas wrote: »

It depends on point of reference.

Homeowner 1 - when the market goes down any more we will be in negative equity. What will we do?

Renter 1 - when the housing market goes down a little further we can buy.

The renter is positive about an outcome while the homeowner is not.

Also there are situation where people dont see the larger picture. Something may be positive on the surface but in reality it isnt.

TBH I don't class house prices as a positive or negative thought process.

Wanting house prices to fall or increase is totally different to optimism IMHO.

Both are blurred by Vi and aspiration rather than optimism.


Optimism would kick in if you asked how much you thought houseprices would fall etc.

So owner 1 may be optimistic, renter 1 may be pesimistic
Both still may be influenced by VI, but it is the outlook they come to in advance, rather than the joy/sadness of the after effect of the event passing.

In your example you are relating it to after an event, where in reality optimism relates to outlook before an event.

abaxas

Really2 wrote: »

TBH I don't class house prices as a positive or negative thought process.

Wanting house prices to fall or increase is totally different to optimism IMHO.

Both are blurred by Vi and aspiration rather than optimism.


Optimism would kick in if you asked how much you thought houseprices would fall etc.

So owner 1 may be optimistic, renter 1 may be pesimistic.

In your example you are relating it to after an event, where in reality optimism relates to outlook before an event.

A rapist could be optimistic on finding some 'prey' (before event).

The women raped could be optimistic that the walk home was safe (up to event happening).

Both are being optimistic for the same event, just one happening, the other not.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I think the main issue here is on this forum it's seen as optimistic = price rised for houses. Pessimistic = price falls for housing.

This is extremely simplistic.

Optimism itself can be seen both in falls and rises in prices.

But the correct way to look at it would be optimism and pessimism on prices.

So you can be pessimistic on prices as you believe the weight is on prices falling, but you can still be happy with that outcome.

You are still pessimistic in outlook.

I dare say, although not in the article, that those that are pessimistic are overly pessimistic in the chances of things happening.

It goes back to a debate the other day of outcomes of things people wanting best for them and their selves.

But let's not blur optimism and pessimism with aspiration and hope. Optimism and pessimism are just you outlook, you can be optimistic and pessimistic on things but regardless of the joy sadness of the result it is still your outlook that defines what you thought.

Falling prices may be a good thing, but in terms of thinking you would still be pessimistic on prices if you thought they would fall.

Really2

abaxas wrote: »

A rapist could be optimistic on finding some 'prey' (before event).

The women raped could be optimistic that the walk home was safe (up to event happening).

Both are being optimistic for the same event, just one happening, the other not.

Did you write that?

You really think rapists think rape is a positive thing in general?

Do you think rapist think it is a good thing they do? do they hand themselves in as soon as they have done it?

Ask either the chance of commiting rape and being raped in a survey and I will think you will find a different outcome to the way you are spinning optimisum. As I think your average potential rapists spouts out they are going to commit one in advance. If they did rape would be 100% avoidable with surveys!!!

A decision to rape someone has nothing to do with being optimistic or pessimistic. They are in control of what they do and the outcome!

I do worry how some of you come to the thought process of making points.

PasturesNew

I was optimistic that by now this thread would be full of gems and insights and clever stuff..... thus proving that being optimistic leads to huge let downs.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

Did you write that?

You really think rapists think rape is a positive thing in general?

Do you think rapist think it is a good thing they do? do they hand themselves in as soon as they have done it?

Ask either the chance of commiting rape and being raped in a survey and I will think you will find a different outcome to the way you are spinning optimisum. As I think your average potential rapists spouts out they are going to commit one in advance. If they did rape would be 100% avoidable with surveys!!!

A decision to rape someone has nothing to do with being optimistic or pessimistic. They are in control of what they do and the outcome!

I do worry how some of you come to the thought process of making points.

Bless. Look at you looking for an argument.

Obviously the poster didn't say or suggest anything like you are shouting about from your high horse.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Bless. Look at you looking for an argument.

Obviously the poster didn't say or suggest anything like you are shouting about from your high horse.

He used potential to rape as example of someone being optimistic you fool?

The bit I wrote in bold is my own point to what he had wrote.

So instead of arguing with me, get your "bull/ bear" head off and say.

""Actually, using rape as example is a bit wrong really as a rapist is clearly not a normal thinking human being and in control of their actions.""

Bit of a silly statement for taking sides GD.

Idiot.

abaxas

My point (and still is) that optimism has nothing to do with right/wrong good/bad.

Hence the stark example.

Personally, I'm optimistic the rapist is caught and taken somewhere he can cause no harm to others.

Really2

abaxas wrote: »

My point (and still is) that optimism has nothing to do with right/wrong good/bad.

Hence the stark example.

Personally, I'm optimistic the rapist is caught and taken somewhere he can cause no harm to others.

How do you rate that optimism, or is it you are hopefull?

I think people need to look at what the article is discussing rather than the way they use optimism.

so for this research you would be asked on what you rate the polices chances are of catching a rapist. If you over estimated, you would be optimistic, under pessimistic.

The concept is a fairly clear one, they are not talking about we define optimism, but how our outlook reflects reality.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

He used potential to rape as example of someone being optimistic you fool?

No he didn't.

Re-read.

A burglar may be optimistic that the house he's about to burgle has decent goods inside it.

Doesn't mean I condone burglary or that it's a positive thing.

Apology for the idiot remarks accepted.