Let's save the country some money.

Conrad

BBC - why not follow the CH4 lead and have the news presenter read the weather.
Instead of 3 separate sports presenters within 1 BBC news studio, why not have 1 at most?

TOP GEAR - stop smashing things up and travelling with large crews to far away places.

Graham_Devon

Top gear makes far more for the beeb than it costs.

shirlgirl2004

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I don't need research to back up what I say. Did you miss the fact I've been involved in a case of abuse?

Whether the person homeschooled or not, the abuse would probably have happened.

However, with the fact that the abuse was physical and mental control, homeschooling was the preferable option, and allowed that parent to control the child further. Allowed the parent to control who the child see's and who the child can speak to.

A simple education visit, to the home, would have roused interest, and the case could have been referred. Obviously the adult was completely against this and the rules allowed her, at the time, to stop any contact.

All I'm saying is it allows these things to happen. And why any parent feel's they have the right to stop others checking on their child's welfare / education is beyond me. They may be our children, but they are their own person.

I know the argument is simply that these visits are not looking at welfare, but that's a complete strawman argument. Obviously if someone walks into an obvious dodgy situation, the childs welfare is taken into account.

If all is going as it should, and the child is being educated to the standards set out by the parent, then there is nothing to fear. But there has been cases of real homeschoolers on this forum with 5 year olds who cannot write or talk. Apparently they are using the "let them do it themselves" approach.

That in my view, is abuse and selfishly keeping the children "babies". Of course the only reason that can happen is because of this complete nonsense of homeshcoolers wantnig to block any outside infulence.

So there was one person that you knew of that used homeschooling as a front for something else and everyone should be punished. Lets go the whole hog and take the children away at birth, put them in institutions that the Government run and then no parents can abuse their children. Problem solved? No I thought not.

You have serious problems if you think a 5 year old not writing is a problem. Go to Europe it is the norm! As for not talking well even the most deprived children manage to say something by the age of 5 so clearly there was an underlying cause if the child can say nothing. I there is minimal speech then yes it may well come in its own time. Try listening to one of Sir Ken Robinson's speeches and understand how doing things in your own time with your own motivation is the key to success and happiness. Research shows that autonomy in education is beneficial.

Ok I may not have the moral right to refuse others checking on my children but do you really think my children want strangers in their home picking over their work? Who would benefit from the visit?

Save the money and lose the EHEOs.

lostinrates

shirlgirl2004 wrote: »

Ok I may not have the moral right to refuse others checking on my children but do you really think my children want strangers in their home picking over their work? Who would benefit from the visit?

children less lucky than yours perhaps?

Graham_Devon

shirlgirl2004 wrote: »

So there was one person that you knew of that used homeschooling as a front for something else and everyone should be punished. Lets go the whole hog and take the children away at birth, put them in institutions that the Government run and then no parents can abuse their children. Problem solved? No I thought not.

What, you expect me to know more personally?

I'm sure I don't need to provide you with articles from newspaper, such as the one from 2010 where homeschooling was a cover up for abuse, starving one child to death, with the brother escaping narrowly.

You have serious problems if you think a 5 year old not writing is a problem. Go to Europe it is the norm! As for not talking well even the most deprived children manage to say something by the age of 5 so clearly there was an underlying cause if the child can say nothing. I there is minimal speech then yes it may well come in its own time. Try listening to one of Sir Ken Robinson's speeches and understand how doing things in your own time with your own motivation is the key to success and happiness. Research shows that autonomy in education is beneficial.

I think you assume I think a child should be capable of writing a novel. I don't. But they should be capable of putting pen to paper and draw something and make letters. This child couldn't even do that. I'm not going to go over the whole thread as it will probably still be on here somewhere. It was locked, but not sure it was deleted.

It's pretty obvious that child was behind. You suggest this was underlying causes.

I suggest that if it was underlying causes, thats all the more reason for the child to have outside help and check ups. What kind of parent would allow themselves to knowingly hold back a child as the child has special needs and fight to stop people suggesting different ways so the child gets the best education?

This isn't about taking children away....but I personally feel thats some homeschoolers worries, so they fight to hide their children away because of their own worries. It's about helping and offering advice for your childs best interests....not yours.

Ok I may not have the moral right to refuse others checking on my children but do you really think my children want strangers in their home picking over their work? Who would benefit from the visit?

Save the money and lose the EHEOs.

I don't know what your children really think. Neither do you. And they don't know how to think differently as they only know one way....the way they have grown up.

Let's face it, kids go along with what they know up until a certain age and don't know anything else. What you teach them and how you bring them up is all they know.

Teachers, social workers, school nurses etc are trained to spot various signs and work on BEHALF of your children. That's not against parents, it's alongside them.

I'm sorry but no matter what you throw at me, no matter how you write off any example I give you as "just one case", the fact still remains. Children could have been saved....from simple visits, which I cannot, and will not, understand how any parent can fight to stop.

Let me make it clear. I have no problem with homeschooling. But I do have a problem with parents fighting to stop visits because of their own worries and fears. If people really want to do their best for their children, they'd be willing to at least listen to advice.

I'm not having a go at your personal choices. But I am having a go at your personal choices which are hindering the progress of stamping out abuse for other children. Your children may be fine. That doesn't mean others are. I don't think there is anything you can say to change my mind on that.

Graham_Devon

As a sidenote, shirlgirl. I've heard the argument before suggesting home visits won't do any good.

I've also asked in response what harm they will do to your children, especially if it means others, not matter how small the minority, get the chance to be heard, or seen.

To date, I haven't had a response. I've been told it would frighten the children, which I was abhorred by, as that suggested the children really were hidden away for any contact with people to scare them. To be wary is a natural reaction for children to strangers....but scared? Of course, that went down like a lead balloon.

So what harm would visits do, to the children....as this isn't about saving money.

desert_rose

How to save money?
Give every family an affordable home, every child a first rate education, every 16 to 18 year old free access to higher education or training, every working parent free childcare and every pensioner and generation 55 plus an average standard of living.

The country would save a fortune in stopping the social and economic problems that demand an army of bureaucrats to solve/police. People would stop worrying and feeling depressed - savings on health and mental health services. More jobs for teachers and trainers (disposable income would regenerate the economy) More young people in jobs - more jobs! (statutory retirement at 55) and a boost to the leisure industry as the over 55's spend more time having fun and less time in jobs.

Remember those billions the bankers lost the nation? That money could've paid for my cunning plan several times over.

lynzpower

Actually the main reason in my experience for depression, anxiety and the like is abuse and neglect in childhood. Also mental illness can arise from grief, that of course we know no amount of money stops people dying eventually.

A shiny new house does not negate the need for mental health services.

Jimmy_31

Stop giving the voluntary unemployed the actual money for their benefits, give them food stamps and a set of overalls as a clothing allowance. It aint half annoying watching all the spongers in the beer garden on a sunny day getting pi55ed off the back of the tax payer.

lynzpower

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

Stop giving the voluntary unemployed the actual money for their benefits, give them food stamps and a set of overalls as a clothing allowance. It aint half annoying watching all the spongers in the beer garden on a sunny day getting pi55ed off the back of the tax payer.

What does voluntary unemployed mean?

Did you know that voucher schemes are expensive to create and manage?

How would anyone who received the benefits as you state above pay for any bills, transport or printing postage or internet to job search?

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