Which VX engine??

cyclonebri1

The vx insignia estate is supplied in 2ltr diesel, the astra estate in 1.9, which is best????? Stats support the 2 ltr but????

redped

Better for what? Acceleration? MPG? Showing off to your mates?

Are you going to buy either the Insignia or the Astra solely based on which one has the better engine?

MX5huggy

The Astra engine is the better one because it is heavier, and in this wind would hold down a bigger tarpaulin.


PS I don't actually know which engine is heavier.

BenL

The new Astra Sports Tourer is 1.7 Diesel from the older models and new 2.0 diesel - looks the same base engine as the Insignia.

The Astra one looks to have 165bhp though whereas the Insignia has 130bhp or 160bhp.

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall-range/cars/new-astra-sports-tourer/equipment-technical-data/engines-transmissions.html

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall-range/cars/insignia-sports-tourer/features-specs/engines-transmissions.html

Ben

Strider590

The 1.9 diesel has a fairly good rep, it's an old workhorse for VX (much like the 1.8 petrol) and as I understand it, it's fitted to hybrid electric buses up and down the country. It also remaps quite nicely to over 200bhp.

The 2ltr diesel, I can only comment on the fact is was removed from the Vectra line up fairly early on due to major reliability problems. I can only assume they sorted all that out when the Insignia was released in 2009(?)!!

Me personally I wouldn't touch a Diesel if it's not brand new. DMF's, DPF's, etc etc etc have really put pay to owning them 2nd hand.

cyclonebri1

redped wrote: »

Better for what? Acceleration? MPG? Showing off to your mates?

Are you going to buy either the Insignia or the Astra solely based on which one has the better engine?

Better to me means a combination of all the qualities of an engine, that being reliability, economy and enough power.

To put this into context I've run nothing but VX for the last 25 years, when the 1st fwd cavs came out. But just over 4 years ago I wanted to change to a diesel extate. I was getting rid of a vectra so wanted a change but the astra estate dissapointed, and so did the Focus so I went with a Renault. No real issues but I do intend to go back a buy a VX for my next car after some consideration.

The 2ltr seems on paper to be far more economical in 160 spec even more so when you consider the extra load size over the astra, but something at the back of my mind was saying the engine had been trouble in the past.

Stryder, 2nd hand it will be but at about a year old so within waranty which reduces the concerns

Ben, useful info, thanks, seems the astra has more interior load space than the Insignia, will have to check them both out.

drayton44

Both are Fiat engines. The 1.9 is the better of the two, although older. The 2.0 has lots of issues, some still unresolved, the exhaust valves stick & this stops the DPF regenerating. Don't expect to see much more than 40 MPG from the 2.0. Better still buy anything with the VAG 1.9 PD unit, virtually bulletproof & great MPG.

cyclonebri1

drayton44 wrote: »

Both are Fiat engines. The 1.9 is the better of the two, although older. The 2.0 has lots of issues, some still unresolved, the exhaust valves stick & this stops the DPF regenerating. Don't expect to see much more than 40 MPG from the 2.0. Better still buy anything with the VAG 1.9 PD unit, virtually bulletproof & great MPG.

There is my dilema. My roomy Megane estate has a load capacity well above it's class and the 1460cc 106hp engine always delivers 50mpg and on anthing other running about 60 to 70mpg. It will be wether I can get all my fishing gear or 4ft x 4ft window frames in the back that decides it.

A relative runs a large taxi buisiness, they've used Astra's for years with very little trouble, they started buying Skoda's and Passat's and have been plagued with issues :A Everyone has adifferent story to tell I'm afraid.

Strider590

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

A relative runs a large taxi buisiness, they've used Astra's for years with very little trouble, they started buying Skoda's and Passat's and have been plagued with issues :A Everyone has adifferent story to tell I'm afraid.

I think to be fair, people buy the more modern VW's having heard all the hype about reliability, then when they go wrong their brain just seems to ignore it OR they think "well, im glad I got a VW, it'd be so much worse if i'd bought a Ford/Vauxhall/whatever".