Interview regarding Work Programme (help)

saintjammyswine

donnajunkie wrote: »

people will get a training allowance while on placement which is the same as jsa. they dont sign on while on placement. well how can they if they are at work all day monday to friday?

They still have to sign on, one of the reasons it is up to 30 hrs per week, if a shift pattern stops them signing at their normal time/day then local arrangements can be made to change it.

donnajunkie

saintjammyswine wrote: »

As a subcontracted provider and someone involved in the programme, the JCP tell me that before anything is released to us through the main contractor the client must sign a form allowing this to happen. We dont get any information until this is done. If its not signed we dont get the referral, dont know what happens then you would need to ask a JCP advisor.

they went through what the info they had on me to check if there was anything too personal before they sent it to the provider. i doubt if they would have been too happy if i had tried to object to the rest being sent.

donnajunkie

DebiT wrote: »

My friend is a scientist who would have been only too happy to work for free in a lab, he's been nagging them solid for such a placement and they have been no help whatsoever, I think they might send him to Tesco soon to stack shelves.

that would be a good placement and be with a reputable company. they cant get placements like that coz only bad companies take people from these schemes. i have seen it many times someone gets asked what their experience is and what they want to do. if its anything skilled or classable as a good job they get told you've got no chance getting that and theres no jobs like that around here anymore. the next thing they know they are being sent to poundland.

donnajunkie

saintjammyswine wrote: »

They still have to sign on, one of the reasons it is up to 30 hrs per week, if a shift pattern stops them signing at their normal time/day then local arrangements can be made to change it.

ok,thanks. i just assumed it would be like placements on fnd. although it was a jobcentre worker who described it as being the same as fnd placements.

dandelionclock30

If someone is doing a job unless its voluntary/charity work then they need to be paid the proper rate end of story. I cant see there being enough placements for all the unemployed to go on, unless they make all of Britain redundant!

Mr_Falling_Star

There are NO mandatory work placements on the work programme, you will not be doing "free work" for anyone . There is NOTHING in arranging a work placement for the provider as they have to pay out for bus fares etc. That may change as the work programme goes on but now....

There are no mandatory work placements on the Work programme

The nearest thing to it would be a work trial for a customer with a Job at the end of it lasting a week so both kinds can see if it is the Job for them. For something like that you need to be sending somebody enthusiastic and with a good attitude as employer will not be taking on losers. Hopefully we will be lining up some people soon as I have twenty vacancies that need filling NOW!

donnajunkie

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

If someone is doing a job unless its voluntary/charity work then they need to be paid the proper rate end of story. I cant see there being enough placements for all the unemployed to go on, unless they make all of Britain redundant!

when it was the old new deal the provider here used to manage to get virtually everyone out on placement for the whole of their 13/26 weeks. since then the length of a placement has been reduced to 4 weeks and therefore it is now harder to find a placement for people. this proves that most employers were just useing new deal for free labour because only having someone for 4 weeks and then having to get another person for just 4 weeks isnt as appealing as getting them for 26 weeks. 4 weeks should be perfectly fine for any employer serious about employing someone.

donnajunkie

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

There are NO mandatory work placements on the work programme, you will not be doing "free work" for anyone . There is NOTHING in arranging a work placement for the provider as they have to pay out for bus fares etc. That may change as the work programme goes on but now....

There are no mandatory work placements on the Work programme

The nearest thing to it would be a work trial for a customer with a Job at the end of it lasting a week so both kinds can see if it is the Job for them. For something like that you need to be sending somebody enthusiastic and with a good attitude as employer will not be taking on losers. Hopefully we will be lining up some people soon as I have twenty vacancies that need filling NOW!

it is true that government have not stipulated a placement as a requirement but the provider can do that. if a provider thinks you should do one then you have to do one and it is mandatory. you cant say no to a placement if the provider thinks you should do one. i have been given a target of being on a placement by the end of october. theres nothing saying only if there is a chance of a job.

saintjammyswine

A Sector Based Work Academy, previously known as Pre-Employment Training, will only be endorsed and therefore supported and referred to by JCP if there is a link with an employer at the end of the training. For example, running CSCS test preparation training & employability skills over 5 days then a couple of weeks on site assuming the test is passed. If there was no site experience, g'teed interviews or links to local agencies that the contractors actually use then JCP would not be involved at all. There do not have to be jobs g'teed, just the opportunity and at least an interview.

saintjammyswine

donnajunkie wrote: »

when it was the old new deal the provider here used to manage to get virtually everyone out on placement for the whole of their 13/26 weeks. since then the length of a placement has been reduced to 4 weeks and therefore it is now harder to find a placement for people. this proves that most employers were just useing new deal for free labour because only having someone for 4 weeks and then having to get another person for just 4 weeks isnt as appealing as getting them for 26 weeks. 4 weeks should be perfectly fine for any employer serious about employing someone.

It's up to 8 weeks for the work placement now. Up to 30 hours per week. One of the employers I deal with is taking people on a 4 week placement after the 2 week training element. They will be rotating around the various parts of the company and being trained as a new employee would. They then get interviews and the bare minimum is that they are on the books of the agency they use.