Creosote and woodpaint

Mupette

Hi

I'm hoping for some advice.

I have a garden shed, a year old, it will be moved next week (hopfully) to a more suitable place, and OH has asked me to check something...

2 sides will never see the sun and he suggests i creosote them, fine no problem, but i've always wanted to have a coloured shed (think beach huts) and have the paint, he said i should check that i can creosote and then paint on top?

Can this be done?

peediedj

i doubt you,ll be able to buy"creosote" anymore theres plenty of substitues but not the real thing

antenna

I bought a gallon of creosote from my local bootsale.........it contains oil,i dont know what % but it's good stuff,and yes,i think it's no longer available to buy in the shops.
I dont think you are able to paint over it.
10 ltrs of shed/fence paint in Asda for £4........seen on hukd.........

Mupette

Bartoline Creocote just checked the label and that's what i have.

Was hoping to put the 'Creocote' on and once dried put on this...

http://www.wickes.co.uk/invt/170628

I already have the paint...

antenna

It does what it says on the tin...........never a more appropriate answer.

Mupette

yes i have read both tins, but nothing said about what i asked,

Valli

Traditional Creosote was withdrawn from sale to the general public in 2003. Due to continued demand, Bartoline was instrumental in the development of Creosote Substitute, a preparation comprising of petroleum distillates and synthetically manufactured substitutes.

As from the 1st February 2009, Creosote Substitute has been withdrawn from sale however Bartoline has introduced an alternative non-biocidal product Creocote Oil Based Timber Treatment.
The result is a highly effective oil based wood treatment, which provides excellent surface water repellence and restricts weather damage. The product improves grain definition and exhibits the characteristic odour familiar to traditional Creosote users.
Bartoline Creocote applies exactly like its predecessors, and can be used by the general public as well as trade persons. Brushes may be cleaned using Bartoline White Spirit.


From Bartoline's web site^


So creocote is creosote substitute?


Not heard of it but as I used to be a lab technician and we supplied (Mk II creosote) to Bartoline you can have my expert opinion.


I would used the creocote on all the shed. That other stuff is water based and contains dyes and fungicides and is nowhere near as effective as creosote was. Creosote was a by-product of carbonization, where coal is converted to coke and various, rather nasty, liquids collected from it as coal tar. Coal tar could then be distilled to collect various different hydrocarbons, and other chemicals, many of which were found to be carcinogenic, hence it's withdrawal.


I cannot think that you will be able to apply the woodcare on top of the creocote bacuse it will be water based and likely to be repelled. It's either or, really.


If I wanted a coloured shed I would prime then gloss as that will give a longer lasting coat.

SailorSam

Why use oil substitutes ?
I garage near me uses their old engine oil !!!
It stinks; it stays tacky for ages; but it works to stop the fence rotting.
Not so sure though i'd do a shed or fence in my back garden.

antenna

It was common practise to mix creosote with 50% old used car sump oil (well,it saved pouring it down the kerb drain) only problem was if your shed was on a slope it was liable to slip down the garden!
sailor sam.....you beat me to it!

lostinrates

Valli wrote: »

If I wanted a coloured shed I would prime then gloss as that will give a longer lasting coat.

IME the new wood stains are far better than prime and gloss. (on chicken sheds left out in all weathers)

I restained on this year for the first time in 7 or eight years because I wanted a colour change, not because it needed it. They are better than creosote replacement to IMO, almost as good as old fashioned creosote! (well, better, because its pretty too!).

I'm very happy with our woodstain and recommend it.....I'm just not looking forward to doing sixty metres of tacky panel fencing with it!

Valli

SailorSam wrote: »

Why use oil substitutes ?
I garage near me uses their old engine oil !!!
It stinks; it stays tacky for ages; but it works to stop the fence rotting.
Not so sure though i'd do a shed or fence in my back garden.

But if it were thinned down with solvents and had been filtered/cleaned it wouldn't be so bad.

@ LiR - the woodstain I used has slug tracks through it - so clearly not harmful to wildlife! Would prefer creosote though. I liked the smell (obviously or I couldn't have spent years testing it).