MSE News: Number of unemployed graduates rises

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"More than a quarter of graduates were not in full time work nearly four years after leaving university new figures show ..."
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  • an even better question would be 'how many people use their degree in their job' as the rate for this will be high as from all the people i know who did degrees only 1 use it whose degree wasn't specifically for a vocation and several people on my course have already left the education field as either they couldn't find a job or they have had enough of parts of the jobs
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    The claim

    "More than a quarter of graduates were not in full time work nearly four years after leaving university new figures show ..."

    So these figures would included graduates who got a job after leaving university, however have been made redundant and now unemployed...........
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  • Ah but the offical government response was it is only 2 -3 % as those working in part time "sink" jobs are still employed and a number are doing extended education (as they can't find employment in some cases) so don't count.

    There are far too many graduates with degrees of either limited value or that could/should have been gained on the job.

    The idea that a graduate job leads to utopia is a misleading. Historically maybe where degrees led to a real profession.

    It would be good to see league tables form the universities to see where their degrees lead in say 5 years after award e.g. Doctor, Accountancy, Law, Specialist Engineering, Teaching etc to find out how many end up in "non jobs".

    Methinks the the unemployed "graduate" will rise for the foreseeable future. Perhaps the increased fees will stem the flow.

    I wonder what the Governement response will be 10/15 years down the line when increasing numbers and amounts of student loans are not being repaid at anywhere near projection.:eek:
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    The idea that a graduate job leads to utopia is a misleading. Historically maybe where degrees led to a real profession.

    This type of comment always confuses me. Traditional university humanities subjects (history, Classics, philosophy, etc) have never led to a real profession, at least not in the sense of them being directly vocational.
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    My DD has friends who have degrees and can't find work of any kind and she works with 4 girls with degrees who could only find work as a shop assistant.
    My DS has gone to college to take an engineering course and then hopefully he will go on to get an apprentiship, he doesn't want the debt his sister has from uni (She dropped out after a year because there were not enough people on her course so half way through everyone was moved to a course that they didn't want to do, and all of them dropped out.
    The government should be creating jobs not cutting everything to the bone.
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    This type of comment always confuses me. Traditional university humanities subjects (history, Classics, philosophy, etc) have never led to a real profession, at least not in the sense of them being directly vocational.

    Indeed.

    The truth is that a degree from "any" Uni in Engineering, Law, Nursing, Medicine, Accountancy, Computing, etc is worth more than a degree in history, english, a language, etc from a so called "top" Uni. But some sort of strange British snobbishness prevents this truth being heard.
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    posh*spice wrote: »
    The truth is that a degree from "any" Uni in Engineering, Law, Nursing, Medicine, Accountancy, Computing, etc is worth more than a degree in history, english, a language, etc from a so called "top" Uni. But some sort of strange British snobbishness prevents this truth being heard.

    Well, that depends entirely on how you are measuring worth.
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    posh*spice wrote: »
    Indeed.

    The truth is that a degree from "any" Uni in Engineering, Law, Nursing, Medicine, Accountancy, Computing, etc is worth more than a degree in history, english, a language, etc from a so called "top" Uni. But some sort of strange British snobbishness prevents this truth being heard.


    That is really the point I was attempting to make. Humanities have a place in society but over supply and limited roles make them less "fiscally productive" as "non jobs" are taken up. There are a number of degrees that are just wishy washy - media studies? Certainly the figures of £100000+ remuneration differentials (if they really exist) will diminish.

    My other point related more to technical based jobs. Do these really need a degree -wouldn't they be better fulfilled by on the job training modules. These used to be catered for by Diplomas, HNDs and HNCs at Technical Colleges on sandwich course.

    One degree I heard tell of was in Wallace and Gromit style animation? I just don't see why that couldn't be learned by doing it.

    Many worthy jobs go un-recognised and poorly rewarded you don't need to have a degree for that one.

    Are all politicians so deluded into thinking this is the only way forward or does it just keep the less employ ably capable off the unemployment register a bit longer. It seems a bit like the emperors clothes scenario.
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    One degree I heard tell of was in Wallace and Gromit style animation? I just don't see why that couldn't be learned by doing it.

    That sounds more like a module within an arts/animation degree, rather than the complete degree itself, although if you can find a link to the course then great. It's like when the media spout nonsense such as David Beckham studies, or Harry Potter studies. These aren't degrees, they are classes. It's often fine when a respected university offers a class in it though.
  • That sounds more like a module within an arts/animation degree, rather than the complete degree itself, although if you can find a link to the course then great. It's like when the media spout nonsense such as David Beckham studies, or Harry Potter studies. These aren't degrees, they are classes. It's often fine when a respected university offers a class in it though.

    http://crussearch1.staffs.ac.uk/search/search.cgi?meta_s_orsand=animation&meta_z_and=all&meta_x_and=All&collection=courses&x=15&y=11

    I will admit I only read the headline.
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