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Graduates now 'more likely to end up as cleaners', official figures show
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There are always some people who put down the Open University as they simply don't understand how it works.Patchwork_Quilt wrote: »Some of us are working very hard to get Open University degrees. That's because we can't afford to give up work and pay for University all at once. Why don't you have a look at some of the courses and see what's involved?
I think it's because they are scared they couldn't study, work and raise a family.Patchwork_Quilt wrote: »Returning to the original point, however, it's not surprising that many graduates don't get the job they envisaged. Young people were funnelled into taking degrees as a means of keeping them out of the job market. Now that is catching up with us. It's a tragedy that so much hope and talent is being wasted.
True but then there is the issue that Nu Labour purposely made some careers degree entry only i.e. Nursing.
Oh and it doesn't help they change HNC/HNDs into "Foundation Degrees".I'm not cynical I'm realistic
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lostinrates wrote: »which subject areas are you looking in? where is the short fall for your needs?
Computer Science and Electronic Engineering. The shortfall in our needs is candidates actually having a really good understanding of, and enthusiasm for, the subject.
We offer a starting salary of > £25k with a good escalator for a few years and merit based "as far as you can go" after that, plus a good pension deal, share options, loads of insurance benefits, and much much more.
We engage with unis to make sure we get the cream of the crop, and we do get some cracking people, but not enough, never enough. If we're spending money on degree level education *please* let's target it towards the right subjects and the best of the best; mundane is as mundane does and they might as well be cleaners.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
That's depresisng. I thought they were popular subject areas and oversubscribed? Is it that there are grads but simply not the calibre? Are your grad level jobs well remunerated...i.e. are you seeing the cream of them and they are not good enough...or are the ''better'' grads not applying to you?gadgetmind wrote: »Computer Science and Electronic Engineering. The shortfall in our needs is actually having a really good understanding of, and enthusiasm for, the subject.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »That's depresisng. I thought they were popular subject areas and oversubscribed? Is it that there are grads but simply not the calibre? Are your grad level jobs well remunerated...i.e. are you seeing the cream of them and they are not good enough...or are the ''better'' grads not applying to you?
They are, not one of my university classmates failed to get a job (although Soft Eng. rather than CompSci/ElecEng).
Also £25k is good.... if outside of London. Is it?0 -
Perhaps, along with Martin's campaign for financial education in schools, we need some A level courses on how to set up your own business as an alternative to university.
I started my first company during my final year at university. I'm not sure how you'd teach this drive, and tax,/employment/etc law changes at each verse end, so any school education would be time better spent on core STEM subjects IMO.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
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They are, not one of my university classmates failed to get a job (although Soft Eng. rather than CompSci/ElecEng).
We're a bit fussy. :-)Also £25k is good.... if outside of London. Is it?
Yes, well outside, grim North, but one of the nicer bits.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »Is it that there are grads but simply not the calibre? Are your grad level jobs well remunerated...i.e. are you seeing the cream of them and they are not good enough...or are the ''better'' grads not applying to you?
We get all sorts applying, but sadly those that make the grade are increasingly not UK educated. We pay well and treat people well, as shown by high levels of applications and *devastatingly* good retention figures, but just find little wheat in the chaff.
We do have a stated policy of preferring empty seats to seats with the wrong backsides in them. Other companies might be less fussy. I like our approach!I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Yes, well outside, grim North, but one of the nicer bits.
could location be an issue? Surely not? Unless the creme de la creme are looking exclusively at London...which is hard to believe. What is average sort of salry for this job outside London and whats the highest in London?
e.g. my dh is a solicitor. looking at rates for the''best firms'' in london compared to best firms outside is staggaring. One firm has qualification rate of £100k, (think it only takes two a year though!) but I bet a huge percentage of the ''cream'' apply for those two TCs for that PQ salary. For the more normal salaries is there the smae draw out of the north? I just don't know.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »We get all sorts applying, but sadly those that make the grade are increasingly not UK educated. We pay well and treat people well, as shown by high levels of applications and *devastatingly* good retention figures, but just find little wheat in the chaff.
We do have a stated policy of preferring empty seats to seats with the wrong backsides in them. Other companies might be less fussy. I like our approach!
Was it it exactly that's bad about them? Their actual technical skills? Work ethic? Soft skills?0
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