Public Sector wages rising despite pay "freeze"

adouglasmhor

Mallotum_X wrote: »

So come on lets have some meaningful examples of all these public sector workers not paid for by the state?

Local authority workers paid for from council tax, some court workers paid for from fine income, support workers paid for from individuals contributions, licensing officers paid from income from licensing. Housing association workers paid from income from rents.

Really2

Percy1983 wrote: »

Being a public sector worker I am going to stand up for this.

In my case there is 4 levels on my pay scale and as you say I have progressed up them over the last few years despite a pay freeze.

But with that I haven't have any percentage on top said pay scale.

Odd, my OH LA have stopped movements in scales also???

I think they took it as pay freeze meant pay freeze?

MacMickster

Mallotum_X wrote: »

So come on lets have some meaningful examples of all these public sector workers not paid for by the state?

I attend a gym at the local council-run leisure centre. I pay a monthly subscription which is the same as I would pay for a privately run gym - but the leisure centre is more convenient. Are the staff of the gym paid from (a) taxes, (b) my subscriptions or (c) a combination of both?

custardy

MacMickster wrote: »

I don't work in the public sector, but surely you are saying that people should be paid the rate for the job. If I was working alongside someone and doing an equally good or better job than them, then I would expect to be paid the same,or my employer would be getting my labour on the cheap.

Think of increments as a bit like the minimum wage. Youngsters get less as they bring little experience to the workplace, but as they get older and their skills increase they get paid more until they eventually get paid the rate for the job.

different rates of pay for long term workers happen in the private sector too
staff member A starts a few years ago on £25K,receiving % increases every year
staff member B starts now and is offered £25k.(or in many places a lower wage!)
so the member who has a few years service is already on a higher rate
I remember years back working with a Sous Chef at an Edinburgh hotel
He had over 10 years service and had received a % pay rise every year
so the rise compounds each year on the higher wage

Really2

MacMickster wrote: »

(c) a combination of both?

Mainly taxes though as leisure centers tend to be massive loss makers for councils.

Mallotum_X

Percy1983 wrote: »

There is many parts with european funding involved etc.

But back to the point, if the state doesn't pay these people to do the work, who will?

European funding.... isnt that still just part of the state (ok a wider State than simply the UK)?

As for your second point, I still haven't seen anyone on this thread saying scrap the public sector.

Percy1983

Really2 wrote: »

Odd, my OH LA have stopped movements in scales also???

I think they took it as pay freeze meant pay freeze?

The top of my scale hasn't moved for 3 years, looks frozen to me.

adouglasmhor

Really2 wrote: »

Mainly taxes though as leisure centers tend to be massive loss makers for councils.

All the leisure centres in my area are now run by trusts and not by the councils any more.

Really2

Percy1983 wrote: »

The top of my scale hasn't moved for 3 years, looks frozen to me.

But I thought you were saying there had still been incremental increases in scale with the pay freeze in place?

The top of a scale is always frozen unless unless you get a pay rise or move scale that has nothing to do with what you said?

But can you clarify what you are saying, are people still moving up scales in a pay freeze environment?

StevieJ

Percy1983 wrote: »

There is many parts with european funding involved etc.

But back to the point, if the state doesn't pay these people to do the work, who will?

Presumably the private sector if it is required (by the rich and greedy ).