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July's UK borrowing figures
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What the heck has happened to this thread? If these figures are correct then this is quite amazing isn't it?
Not amazing as the high taxation receipts in July can be fully explained.
The UK is still on target to borrow a £122 billion pounds this tax year 11/12.
Ultimately savings will have to be made everywhere they can be found.
I would wager that NHS trusts will shortly start announcing redundancies and ward closures.0 -
Random noise. It's a bit like a man who earns £5000 a month has an overdraft of £50 at the end of one month and £5 next month and congratulates himself on slashing his overdraft by 90%.If these figures are correct then this is quite amazing isn't it? Has someone provided an explanation why there is such a large fall in borrowing or is that we have avoided Armageddon?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Stress following breakdown of a personal relationship. Up to 12 months sick pay at full rate.
Name me a commercial organisation which would allow this......
What's your beef? The 12 months sick pay or the cause you suggested for the absense? I'm sure you would be more sympathetic to it if it was for cancer.
The criteria for recieving sick pay for long term absenses is the presentation of doctor's certificates for the period in question. This is no different with any employer, public or private. Employers generally don't get into the business of assessing the worthiness of the case, as they are not qualified to do so, and doing so would open them up to a world of discrimination claims.
The blame for the problem of excessive sick pay for unworthy causes lies with the doctors who sign people off for such things. The only thing the employer can do is reduce the length of sick pay, as many organisations have done, with the associated collateral damage of subjecting cancer patients to financial ruin.0 -
Degenerate wrote: »What's your beef? The 12 months sick pay or the cause you suggested for the absense? I'm sure you would be more sympathetic to it if it was for cancer.
The criteria for recieving sick pay for long term absenses is the presentation of doctor's certificates for the period in question. This is no different with any employer, public or private. Employers generally don't get into the business of assessing the worthiness of the case, as they are not qualified to do so, and doing so would open them up to a world of discrimination claims.
The blame for the problem of excessive sick pay for unworthy causes lies with the doctors who sign people off for such things. The only thing the employer can do is reduce the length of sick pay, as many organisations have done, with the associated collateral damage of subjecting cancer patients to financial ruin.
I'm sure he would be more sympathetic if it were for cancer, indeed I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he thought longer was appropriate, but 12 months off for the breakdown of a personal relationship - for goodness sake.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Taking a nurse as an example. They have one primary objective. Patient care.
In many instances its the consultants that need a reality check. As technology may process paper but it doesn't deliver a service.
Recently, I had an 11:30 am appointment with a hospital consultant. Upon arrival, the board claimed '50 minute delay'. This meant that he went to lunch at 1 p.m by which time the administrator rubbed out 50 minutes and inserted "2 hours". I was seen 2 hours and 10 minutes late.
On the next occasion, my appointment was 10:00 a.m. The first of the day. Since my 'file' had not arrived, I was not seen until 11:30.
As long as 9 years ago, I noted that Korean hospitals have fully computerised files, and no paper files to worry about. Go into a British hospital - for any minor operation - and count the number of forms (each with your name and address) you have to fill in. I counted, and it was 14.0 -
Loughton_Monkey wrote: »I counted, and it was 14.
Each of which will be scanned...then shredded....then printed out again later.
Paper "lite" see.
The "lite" part being its scanned and shredded. But next time it's needed, its printed again. Genius.0 -
Degenerate wrote: »What's your beef? The 12 months sick pay or the cause you suggested for the absense? I'm sure you would be more sympathetic to it if it was for cancer.
No beef at all. In times of financial stress as now. Everyone should share the burden. Unfortunately some seem to abuse the conditions of their employment. Ultimately we are all paying the cost of this particular abuse as taxpayers. As with the riots it reflects as an attitude of me me me.
I could tell you about the nurse who resigned before being sacked. As she had the misfortune to pick up another member of staff for driving lesson while being signed off sick. Yes, she had taken a second job with BSM. For the records BSM were not aware that she was a nurse.
I take an interest in such matters as I care. No personal gain.0 -
I'm sure he would be more sympathetic if it were for cancer, indeed I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he thought longer was appropriate, but 12 months off for the breakdown of a personal relationship - for goodness sake.
But again, as I pointed out, the blame for this lies with the doctors that sign people off for such trivial reasons. Such abuses are just as likely to happen in the public or private sector. The only reason it's more pronounced in the public sector is that such jobs usually have longer sick pay allowances.0 -
Degenerate wrote: »
The blame for the problem of excessive sick pay for unworthy causes lies with the doctors who sign people off for such things. The only thing the employer can do is reduce the length of sick pay, as many organisations have done, with the associated collateral damage of subjecting cancer patients to financial ruin.
Thats nonsense. A business can put someone on statuatory sick pay or more likely fire them.
Paying someone a years pay on full pay because they're a bit !!!!ed off is an abuse of taxpayers money.0 -
What the heck has happened to this thread? If these figures are correct then this is quite amazing isn't it? Has someone provided an explanation why there is such a large fall in borrowing or is that we have avoided Armageddon?
Frankly that hospital waiting lists go up is a minor consideration if we are putting the country on the straight and narrow. Quite frankly a lot of what goes on in hospitals is a complete waste of our money anyway - tummy tucks, fertility treatment, cosmetic surgery for people who feel bad because they have a big nose, braces for children because they don't like sticky out teeth, free anti smoking treatment etc etc. We also ought to make those doctors we trained to work in the NHS to continue to work in the NHS rather in consultancies.
Yikes, I didn't mean this to happen:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2028443/Hospitals-ban-pregnant-women-having-c-sections-cost-cutting-move.html0
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