speeding fine 35 in 30 work vehicle

want2bmortgage3

i've been caught doing 35 in a 30 by an ACD while driving a work van. it was a shock as i've never been caught speeding in over 10 years of driving and wasnt aware i'd been flashed. i can hardly believe i was speeding at the place they said i was caught. just wondered is there any way i can avoid points/fine or have i got to accept it?

Wig

Just have to accept it unless you challenge the veracity of the evidence in court, some of these cameras are not very accurate but you will need both photographs to try to show this, and to be more armed you would need the NOTSO guy to measure the flash interval.

You could ask for the photos before paying up, they could if they wanted to only provide you with one photo. They could decide not to provide you with any photo saying that your employer has already determined it was you, and therefore no need for you to also determine this.

You could ask for the photos as a delaying tactic, they can't prosecute after 6 months. What was the date of the alleged offence?

Woody._2

Have you been offered a course?

mchale

Did NIP come to reg owner within 14 days of offence.

TonyMMM

Almost certain to be offered a Speed Awareness Course (if you haven't had one in the past 3 years) , which means no points ....perhaps your employer will pay ?

DUTR

TonyMMM wrote: »

Almost certain to be offered a Speed Awareness Course (if you haven't had one in the past 3 years) , which means no points ....perhaps your employer will pay ?

Employers won't pay, and it depends if the area he is in offers the courses, I'm surprised the preachers have not come along screaming for the death penalty! he could have killed a child :eek:

MDBJ

Wot he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

At 35mph in a 30 limit (assuming that this occurred in England or Wales) you are well within the ACPO criteria for the offer of a speed awareness course - the yardstick being that the alleged speed was within the bracket of: posted limit + 10% + 6mph giving an upper limit (ina 30mph limit) of 39mph. Ther other requirements are that you hold a full licence; have 8 or fewer points; have not previously attended a course in the last 3 years and that you satisfactorily complete the course within a time limit (this varies to a degree but is usually 3 months). SAC's are not currently available in Scotland.

Courses normally last about 4 hours and cost between £60 and £115 depending on the area the offence occurred within. If the alleged offence took place in an area that you do not live in it is usually possible to "transfer" the course to a location that is more convenient. There may be a distinct advantage (from a cost point of view) to "transferring" especially in parts of the country like the Midlands and the north-west where there are a number of different police areas in a small geographical area. Obviously, transfers have to be justified but people often work in widely dispersed locations so.... . "Transfers" can only take place between courses that are "ACPO-approved" - not all courses are so approved, for example that offered by Avon & Somerset is not approved.

KierNet

DUTR wrote: »

Employers won't pay, and it depends if the area he is in offers the courses, I'm surprised the preachers have not come along screaming for the death penalty! he could have killed a child :eek:

Sod the children, think of the fluffy kittens they could have killed!

want2bmortgage3

i can take a course, doesn't mention cost though. in answer to when it was recieved, offence was 22nd july, employer showed me letter on the 6th august (15th day), not sure if they recieved it that morning or before that day???

vax2002

If everyone detected by a speed camera in 1 day opted to go to court, it would take 11 years to hear 1 days cases.
Proof, the wolf is never worried by the number of sheep.

vaio

I "know someone" that runs a couple of vans & a car where the registered keeper is a limited company.

He ignores the NIPs and only does something when the registered letter arrives.

Over the years he’s had 4 NIPs, three for vans & 1 for the car.

None of the van ones have progressed past the NIP stage, a registered letter did arrive for the car one but because the company didn’t have a log book system in place it was impossible to identify the driver particularly as the registered letter didn’t arrive for a number of weeks after the alleged offence.

One of the directors attended court on behalf of the company, explained that due to not having a log book system and the time lapse between alleged offence and receipt of the recorded delivery letter it was impossible to identify the driver even with the assistance of the photograph. He added that the company had now put a log book system in place to prevent a recurrence. Found not guilty and awarded costs.

Legal advice at the time was that even if found guilty of failing to identify it would have been just a fine but no points as the offender was the limited company.

Obviously this will only work with a small company where each vehicle can be theoretically driven by multiple people, on cases involving a photograph of the rear of the vehicle & where the company doesn’t have an accurate log book system for who is driving which vehicle & when.

Disclaimer: the court case mentioned was a few years ago (we’ve been good boys recently) now so the law/procedures might have changed but I’d still struggle to see how they could give points to a limited company who couldn’t identify a driver.