Council evictions begin

ikati5

Or, we could practice what Cameron told the Commons - innocent until proven guilty, people deserve a second chance. Oh yeah, except he meant only for his friends, for you peons its innocent until proven poor.

And herein lies the problem, unless you are one of the elite, you are scum, if you claim benefit you are scum, if you live in a council house you are scum...

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

In that case it would make sense to give drug dealers some mighty long sentences as their chosen profession seems to have increased crime exponentially. I am not sure it happens though.

quite right; it illustrates my point exactly that crimes must be seen in the context of the situation and not in some theoretical context
so
if drugs have low impact then low sentences would be appropriate
but if drugs had high impact then high sentenece would be appropriate

(although it fact I believe we ought to decriminalise drugs and regulate them instead but that's another story)

Graham_Devon

ikati5 wrote: »

Or, we could practice what Cameron told the Commons - innocent until proven guilty, people deserve a second chance. Oh yeah, except he meant only for his friends, for you peons its innocent until proven poor.

And herein lies the problem, unless you are one of the elite, you are scum, if you claim benefit you are scum, if you live in a council house you are scum...

Not quite. Evictions will only happen if guilty.

Surely that's just plain common sense.

Any evictions that happened if a person was not guilty would have the press all over it and a court case win pretty quick.

leveller2911

ikati5 wrote: »

Or, we could practice what Cameron told the Commons - innocent until proven guilty, people deserve a second chance. Oh yeah, except he meant only for his friends, for you peons its innocent until proven poor.

And herein lies the problem, unless you are one of the elite, you are scum, if you claim benefit you are scum, if you live in a council house you are scum...

It does make me chuckle when you see Politicians like Cameron and Ed Milliband out and about meeting the common man/woman.The hypocracy is sickening, to see Ed and Dave shake hands and say how dreadful the riots have been and how they will address the issues and within hours they are tucked up safely in their middle/upper class areas.


Have either of them ever worked? I mean real work? no thought not so how the f*ck do they know what its like to live outside of their little bubbles of Eutopia......I suppose they must watch Sky news...

Why does Joe Public allow themselves to be filmed chatting/shaking the hands of these hypocrites.....

Graham_Devon

leveller2911 wrote: »

Have either of them ever worked? I mean real work? no thought not so how the f*ck do they know what its like to live outside of their little bubbles of Eutopia......I suppose they must watch Sky news...

Dunno about Milliband, but Cameron was director of a media company for 7 years.

leveller2911

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Dunno about Milliband, but Cameron was director of a media company for 7 years.

Oh right, Is that a real job? Would he gain useful experience of how sections of British Society live? their struggles,aspirations etc...

How many in his circle of friends live on Council estates?,young couple struggling to buy a home? teenagers struggling to find work?

Pensioners who report intruders at night who have no trust in the Police because they never turn up?.I wonder if Dave or Ed have an intruder they have Police turn up within minutes, so how can they have any idea how life really is for the majority?.


Thruth is Graham he/they are a world away from reality.

IronWolf

leveller2911 wrote: »

Oh right, Is that a real job? Would he gain useful experience of how sections of British Society live? their struggles,aspirations etc...

How many in his circle of friends live on Council estates?,young couple struggling to buy a home? teenagers struggling to find work?

Pensioners who report intruders at night who have no trust in the Police because they never turn up?.I wonder if Dave or Ed have an intruder they have Police turn up within minutes, so how can they have any idea how life really is for the majority?.


Thruth is Graham he/they are a world away from reality.

Just a thought...but maybe thats why he goes and visits them?

Typical with the public, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

CLAPTON

leveller2911 wrote: »

Oh right, Is that a real job? Would he gain useful experience of how sections of British Society live? their struggles,aspirations etc...

How many in his circle of friends live on Council estates?,young couple struggling to buy a home? teenagers struggling to find work?

Pensioners who report intruders at night who have no trust in the Police because they never turn up?.I wonder if Dave or Ed have an intruder they have Police turn up within minutes, so how can they have any idea how life really is for the majority?.


Thruth is Graham he/they are a world away from reality.

I agree with this

clearly this voting stuff and democracy is a load of rubbish


now what we need is a man of the people
the sort of guy that knows tottenham, ealing, clapham, croydon, birmingham, manchester, liverpool very welletc etc

now it just happens that I am available at this particular time and I'm sure that a spontaneous upswelling of popluar support plus a few chaps with petrol bombs and access to twitter and BBMing etc we could sort the whole mess out in a few days

what do you say?

pqrdef

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Evicting them for having a laugh and burning buildings down, looting and injuring people?

Er, the people we're discussing didn't burn any buildings down, didn't nick anything, and didn't injure anybody. It was other people who did all that.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well yes, it says it in the contract, but hey, they were just having a laugh and it's a bit harsh to evict them.

Still cannot get my head around that.

Try reading what's written. "Just" is your word, not mine. I haven't tried to minimise any offences. I do happen to believe that people should be dealt with according to their own crimes and not other people's, a concept that some other posters clearly see as too picky and namby-pamby. I expect I'll be advocating fair trials next, what a load of rubbish. Have you got your head round Magna Carta yet? Clearly some posters haven't.

But mostly I've argued that counter-productive knee-jerk responses wlll be, well, counter-productive. We have a sick society, we need to cure it, not make it worse. If you've got a tiger by the tail, don't feed it appetite-stimulants.

There are only so many things we can do with the unemployed underclass

(a) put them down
(b) let them starve
(c) put them in prison
(d) put them in asylums
(e) pay them benefits
(f) give them work they can do (which might be limited)

Simply demanding that they change isn't going to work though. You have to fill in the "or else" part.

leveller2911

IronWolf wrote: »

Just a thought...but maybe thats why he goes and visits them?

Typical with the public, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

In all honesty do you seriously believe an hour or so down in Peckham or Toxteth gives him/them a true prospective of life?..Lip service springs to mind.......

Your joking right? aren't you? say yes coz i'm worrying about your sanity.:D..

They would get my respect if before they took up politics they actually spent some quality time in troubled areas.They say they are in Politics to make Britain a better place to live so what better way that to "walk a mile in my shoes"?..(not mine personally of coarse,figure of speech dont ya know)