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  • IronWolf
    IronWolf Posts: 6,445 Forumite
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    pqrdef wrote: »
    And yet many of the rioters and looters were in fact laughing. Go figure. How do you explain it?

    Strange how many people get upset when one merely tells it like it is. By all means be appalled by appalling behaviour. But when we're surprised by it, that suggests we've been living in cloud cuckoo land for too long and we've lost touch with reality.

    Yes and if uv ever seen a snuff film, the attackers r usually laughing then too, what's your point? Is it ok to loot and murder if your enjoying it?
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  • ikati5
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    olly300 wrote: »
    Wandsworth council will re-house the mother and the daughter as they have a legal obligation to. So her human rights are sorted as she is been given housing.

    What the mother has lost is the right to a secure tenancy for life.

    The council has no legal obligation to re-house the son as he is 18. [/COLOR]

    BTW Wandsworth council are the only ones I know who are hardline on council tenants causing problems for their neighbours even if they haven't been convicted.

    They do have a right to house the son if it has been his home for the past 12 months and the fact that he is 18 entitles him to a tenancy in his own right.

    If it were to actually happen they would be entitled to a 2 bed for mum an daughter and a bedsit or 1 bed or the son.

    However I believe the end result will be a change of tenancy. Preventing people from living in social housing if their circumstances change..so if one of them wins the lottery or gets a £75 a year job and can afford to get a mortgage then they must move out.

    What are the chances???
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    IronWolf wrote: »
    How can you even say something like that when people have had their lives burnt to the ground. THEY are the unfortunates in this NOT the poor looters.
    Actually a house fire is probably easier to recover from than a prison sentence.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • HappyMJ
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    edited 14 August 2011 at 9:40AM
    pqrdef wrote: »
    Actually a house fire is probably easier to recover from than a prison sentence.
    That's if you make it out alive. Many people will die or be injured in a house fire. Very few will be murdered or injured in prison and those that do get murdered in prison tend to be the lifers that won't be getting out any time soon.

    You'll want some numbers. There were 36,000 dwelling fires in 2010-2011 and there were 212 people killed in dwelling fires. http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/statistics/pdf/1929558.pdf

    And for prison out of 83,000 prisoners 168 people died in prison in 2009 mostly from self-inflicted or natural causes. http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/publications/statistics-and-data/mojstats/reporting-deaths-custody.pdf
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  • ceridwen
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    ...and another point for those who think "Poor things mustnt lose their homes" =

    what about owner-occupiers who had their places burnt out - or feared they might be?

    I feared riots might start up in my area - thankfully it didnt happen. Well - as an owner-occupier - I was scared stiff of losing the 6 figure amount of money tied up in my house and possessions. None of us had been told AT THE TIME of the riots "Thats okay - you wont lose the money - even if the house/possessions go up in flames. That obscure Act will ensure that you ARE reimbursed for your losses."

    Now - if it wasnt for that obscure Act that has meant our money that is so tied-up is safe - then anyone normal burnt out of a home by the rioters would lose THEIR home. The point is the normal person wouldnt have done anything wrong to cause them to lose their home - they would have just been going peacably about their business as normal.

    I certainly know that if my house went up in flames and I couldnt get reimbursed that that would mean my life was ruined and over. It would be literally impossible to start again.

    So - please to those "well-meaning" people arguing for these rioters - bear in mind it matters a heck of a sight more for a normal decent person to lose their home due to no fault of their own than for a rioter to do so because of their own actions.
  • StevieJ
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    HappyMJ wrote: »
    That's if you make it out alive. Many people will die or be injured in a house fire. Very few will be murdered or injured in prison and those that do get murdered in prison tend to be the lifers that won't be getting out any time soon.

    I am only guessing but he/she may also be referring to other things like getting a job?
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  • StevieJ
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    ceridwen wrote: »
    So - please to those "well-meaning" people arguing for these rioters - bear in mind it matters a heck of a sight more for a normal decent person to lose their home due to no fault of their own than for a rioter to do so because of their own actions.

    I don't think you wll find many people who have compassion for someone who has set fire to a persons home or business premises icon8.gif
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    ceridwen wrote: »
    Well...if a parent cares so much about their children
    But many of them don't. I think we know that. However, the kids still need looking after, and we still have to leave it to their inadequate parents to do it.
    ceridwen wrote: »
    Thus - acting as a disincentive to anyone else to ever act that way in the future.
    I expect we've disincentivised people from going looting without covering their faces. Doubt if we've solved the problem though.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • ikati5
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    So... the authorities want people to hand in their sons and daughters so they can then evict the whole family!
  • macman
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    I don't follow the comments about 'having to rehouse them'. Anyone who is evicted under these circumstances is considered in law to have made themselves intentionally homeless, so the LA then has no duty to rehouse them. They would have to rent in the private sector. Which might be problematic, given that they won't exactly get a glowing reference...
    No free lunch, and no free laptop ;)
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