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property within the curtilage of a listed building
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coles101
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I am looking for some help / guidance on the classification of properties within the curtilage of listed buildings.
I have recently applied for planning permission to my council to change the existing timber single glazed windows to new UPVC double glazed units. I was told that as it was a material change I would need to make a formal application but if I kept them timber I did not need to notify them.
After I submitted the application the council came back to me telling me that the property was actually listed and I would need to make a Listed Building Consent application, I challenged this as I knew the property was only built in 1987. They eventually agreed that the property was not listed but as the building next to mine was listed the application would be qualified as “property within the curtilage of a listed building”. My application was rejected under the grounds that the replacement windows would be detrimental to the setting of the listed building as UPVC profiles cannot be produced to match the existing timber ones.
As a quantity surveyor who has worked in the construction industry for over 10 years I appealed to the planning inspectorate on the grounds that a UPVC profile could be produced to match the existing, I also provided them with evidence that it could be done, but the appeal was dismissed for the same reason.
My understanding of the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) Act 1990 is that a building can only be classed as within the curtilage of a Listed Building if it had been there since before July 1948. Is this the case or have I misunderstood?
I bought my house last September just after HIPs where abolished, however as the property was on the market for a while a HIP had been completed. The Property Information Questionnaire contained in the HIP stated that the property was not listed nor contained within a listed building. Also my solicitor did not notify me that the property was on the council’s records as listed.
As far as I can see I have two options:
Challenge the Appeal Decision on the grounds that my property has incorrectly been assessed as listed.
Take action against my solicitor / the vendor for providing false information when I purchased the property.
I have recently applied for planning permission to my council to change the existing timber single glazed windows to new UPVC double glazed units. I was told that as it was a material change I would need to make a formal application but if I kept them timber I did not need to notify them.
After I submitted the application the council came back to me telling me that the property was actually listed and I would need to make a Listed Building Consent application, I challenged this as I knew the property was only built in 1987. They eventually agreed that the property was not listed but as the building next to mine was listed the application would be qualified as “property within the curtilage of a listed building”. My application was rejected under the grounds that the replacement windows would be detrimental to the setting of the listed building as UPVC profiles cannot be produced to match the existing timber ones.
As a quantity surveyor who has worked in the construction industry for over 10 years I appealed to the planning inspectorate on the grounds that a UPVC profile could be produced to match the existing, I also provided them with evidence that it could be done, but the appeal was dismissed for the same reason.
My understanding of the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) Act 1990 is that a building can only be classed as within the curtilage of a Listed Building if it had been there since before July 1948. Is this the case or have I misunderstood?
I bought my house last September just after HIPs where abolished, however as the property was on the market for a while a HIP had been completed. The Property Information Questionnaire contained in the HIP stated that the property was not listed nor contained within a listed building. Also my solicitor did not notify me that the property was on the council’s records as listed.
As far as I can see I have two options:
Challenge the Appeal Decision on the grounds that my property has incorrectly been assessed as listed.
Take action against my solicitor / the vendor for providing false information when I purchased the property.
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Or the 3rd and easiest option fit wooden windows that would not be detrimental to the setting of a listed building PVC never matches wood fact.0
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Or the 3rd and easiest option fit wooden windows that would not be detrimental to the setting of a listed building PVC never matches wood fact.
...and cheaper than taking action against a solicitor!This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
A very interesting situation. Just goes to show what a minefield our planning system can be.
But at the end of the day is it really worth undertaking a lengthy and very expensive legal challenge just for the privilege of fitting plastic windows. What damages would you expect to claim against your solicitor or the vendor when you haven't really suffered a financial loss?
I would add to previous comments and say get some quotes for good quality timber windows, you might be pleasantly surprised how much better they look than plastic and if you avoid the likes of Everest and Anglian, not that much more expensive.
If you do manage to mount a successful appeal on the listing issue let us know as I would certainly find it very interesting.
Good Luck0
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