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Average house prices vs household income.

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  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    edited 8 August 2011 at 4:25PM
    Oh dear....

    Poor Graham still hasn't realised how badly he screwed up. A bit humiliating really. :(

    I'd almost feel sorry for him if it weren't for this....



    Which, all things considered, was the icing on the cake.:rotfl:

    Although, if it's any consolation Graham, it seems you're not alone on the "doesn't understand percentages" front.

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    Percy1983 (Today)

    Seriously, explain it.

    Judging by your response, and how stupid I am, apparently, for picking you up on it, why on earth did you use the paragraph yourself for comparison? If gas was up 56% (instead of 46%), would it have totally undone the point you were trying to make?

    Think about it.

    You blithering fool.
  • ukcarper
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    Seriously, explain it.

    Judging by your response, and how stupid I am, apparently, for picking you up on it, why on earth did you use the paragraph yourself for comparison? If gas was up 56% (instead of 46%), would it have totally undone the point you were trying to make?

    Think about it.

    You blithering fool.

    If gas had gone up 56% it wouldn’t have made much difference unless you spend most of your income on gas.

    I can’t see why Percy keeps thanking your posts I though he was an accountant.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    Seriously, explain it.

    Seriously? You still don't understand?

    Mate, you should have just pretended to get it and quietly left the thread.

    But OK, if you insist.... It's your funeral.:D

    22+32+17+46% = 117% rise ---- Epic Fail. :rotfl:

    I'll keep this to easy round numbers, because we're illustrating a principle here and it doesn't change with actual figures.

    Take four categories of essential expenditure and assign a number to them.

    Food = £100
    Water = £10
    Gas = £50
    Electricity = £90

    The total is £250

    Now add percentage increases to the original amount.

    Food 22% = £122
    Water 17% = £11.70
    Gas 46% = £73
    Electricity 32% = £118.80

    The total is £325.50

    So the increase between £250 and £325.50 is not 117%.

    It's a 30.2% increase. Versus an average household income increase of 55%.

    Do you get it yet?:)
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  • wotsthat
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    edited 8 August 2011 at 5:12PM
    Seriously, explain it.

    Judging by your response, and how stupid I am, apparently, for picking you up on it, why on earth did you use the paragraph yourself for comparison? If gas was up 56% (instead of 46%), would it have totally undone the point you were trying to make?

    Think about it.

    You blithering fool.

    If you're in a hole stop digging.

    Let's say you spend £1000/ month only on the categories below to keep it simple and additionally to keep it simpler still it's an equal split of £250.

    Therefore..

    food +22% = £305/ month
    water +32% = £330/ month
    electricity +17% = £292.50/ month
    gas +46% = £365/ month

    New monthly cost = £1292.5 i.e. an increase of £292.50. A weighted increase of 30%. Clearly the point is made even if one of those has risen by 56%.

    EDIT: Hamish beat me to it.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    If gas had gone up 56% it wouldn’t have made much difference unless you spend most of your income on gas.

    Exactly.
    I can’t see why Percy keeps thanking your posts I though he was an accountant.

    No freaking way.....

    How does someone that doesn't understand percentages get to be an accountant????:eek:
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    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    edited 8 August 2011 at 4:52PM
    Think about it.

    You blithering fool.

    I did.

    And I came to the conclusion you're making yourself look even more stupid than usual.

    Which is an absolutely spectacular achievement. :T
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    Graham, there are 4 items of shopping in my basket. Each one has risen by 10%.

    Did the cost of my shopping increase by 10%, or 40%?
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Percy1983
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    I was thanking the sentiment rather than the maths. :D

    Don't worry I do understand percentages, I am 110% sure of that.
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  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    Percy1983 wrote: »
    Don't worry I do understand percentages

    Could you explain it to Graham then, I think he's in need of professional help.:D
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • pwllbwdr
    pwllbwdr Posts: 443 Forumite
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    In my view, it is pointless for most 14-year-olds starting their GCSE courses, to be force-fed mathematical topics which they will never use, when what they desperately need is to become more comfortable with numbers including percentages and fractions used in the world of finance

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