Harder to rewrite history than you think Bulls.

geneer

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I dunno what's happened to the forum recently.

New names popping up all over the place, all with one common theme - they all don't take too kindly to geener. Now the pictures and stuff are bad as the rest of you, but seriously, 1 person has around 7 of you chasing each others tails coming up with ever more idiotic and childish slurs in response.

This JD bloke has become an all out obsession. He's plainly wrong, though it takes around 7 different usernames to tell us why, and a slur that the guy suggesting he's right actually works in KFC, therefore is a moron and shouldn't be listened to.

Chucky decided he needed a new username after the "I'll pretend to be shortchanged to discredit him" incident which blew up spectacularly, spent 1 post trying to spell correctly and gave up promptly, and then spent about 2 days trying to convince everyone he doesn't have a clue what any jargon is, but is now using said jargon and knowledge of all posters and it seems every single house price forum, to have a pop at the same people he always did have a pop at, using the same tired insults, though insists he's not chucky.

Hamish is having a complete meltdown.

Pimperne just starts random threads about this JD bloke all over the place, not only this forum, others too, while wizzing around to correct literally anyone who doesn't agree with his explanation of how wrong the bloke who said there would be a crash actually was.

Meanwhile, several usernames are trying to convince themselves and everyone else that if someone says "there will be a thunderstorm in the next 24 hours" the person who said it is completely and utterly discredited and a failiure to themselves, their family, their daughter and the British Isles, if the thunderstorm happens at the 26th hour instead of within the 24 hour timeframe. Of course they couldn't care less that another person said there won't be a thunderstorm....afterall, he's far more correct than the person who got the timing slightly wrong.

The bitterness against this bloke running through these posts is astounding.

Ahhhh. My work here is done.

Heres the thing GD. The house price crash happened. Those denying it look pretty stupid.
Those trying to underplay its significance look pretty stupid (nominal falls are - currently - about the same as the last crash and set to get worse).
In those circumstances your left with increasingly bonkers fall back positions.

For example...

You can claim that despite the crash, you would have been better of buying in 2007 anyway (thanks Occam). The internet equivalent of "I didn't care about the crash anyway".

You can claim that "its impossible to see a bubble until after its burst" (this did in fact happen) insinuating that all those who did see it coming were wrong, because, you see, its impossible until afterwards.

You can, rather bizarelly gloat over predictable rent increases whilst at the same time disparaging those pleased to see housing falls because of the financial pain it causes babies and kittens.

You can decide to claim that being right in your analysis and opinions is irrelevant, and that the ongoing extended discussions you've been involved in are meaningless, and that the only thing that matters is "timing" and whether you have "banked a profit" between two arbitrary points in time.

And, most of all you can obsess about a single guy who happened to sell his house in 2002, making a 100% profit, before predicting that house prices would crash in 2007.

I never claimed ol' JD was a prophet, and in fact disagree with a fair chunk of what he thinks.
I simply noted that, on the face of it, he did infinitely better than most commentators.

I guess that when you're restricted to such a tiny amount of bonkers fall back positions, any movement in negating and discrediting the same is a disproportionate threat
to their fabricated illogical positions. In other words, a significantly greater risk of everyone seeing that the emperor has no clothes.

Hence the seething frenzy of rage and hatred initiated simply by questioning some key Bullish memes.

Simples.

geneer

Joeskeppi wrote: »

There will be a house price boom in 2012
There will be a house price boom in 2013
There will be a house price boom in 2014
There will be a house price boom in 2015
There will be a house price boom in 2016
There will be a house price boom in 2017
There will be a house price boom in 2018
There will be a house price boom in 2019
There will be a house price boom in 2020
There will be a house price boom in 2021
There will be a house price boom in 2022
There will be a house price boom in 2023
There will be a house price boom in 2024
There will be a house price boom in 2025

One of those will be right, all bow down to the new king of predictions, JD's heir!

(Timing doesn't matter, natch)

Ah. The brilliance of the stopped clock analogy.
As old as time itself.

Of course a trite and meaningless effort deserves a equally trite and meaningless effort to negate it.

Of course bulls said there could never be a house price.
They said it in 2002.
They said it in 2003.
They said it in 2004.
They said it in 2005.
They said it in 2006.
They said it in 2007.
House Prices Crashed.
Clearly, they were wrong all along.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

geneer

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

sorry, I'm not going to spend much more time on this thread, as some arguments are mind blowingly stupid.
and its obvious some people have never even walked past someone with a finance or economic qualification, let alone have any understanding themselves

rather than just toss off to the idea that you don't want to purchase a piece because you're too clever, instead of having just been too unsuccessful or indeterminate to be able to manage it there are other options.

Government owned banks are strong domestic recovery plays that correlate with actually owning a piece of property. Buy Lloyds, it will synthetically behave like a piece of property over the next 3-5 years. that's if you want to do something like that.

but no one can be proud of exiting or choosing not to enter the property market in 2007 that was a just a stupid costly decision, and with mortgage markets locking many people out still, equities can give similar exposure.

Rather a strange position to take I think.
House prices are, in many areas and markets considerably cheaper than 2007. Tens of thousands of pounds cheaper.

Additionally, given that those holding off to buy were more likely to be saving up a tasty deposit, and that we know now that a bigger deposit provides significant savings in both the short term (interest rates) and the duration of the mortgage, its hard to see how this couldn't be a good thing.

geneer

Cleaver wrote: »

Ahh, of course. How silly of me. And if I only knew who one of these were maybe I could work out the identity of the other one.

Of course. How silly of me.
You wanted his address, employment history, credit ratings and background yes?

It wasn't enough simply to know that he's a faceless poster on an internet forum in the same as, erm, we all are and always have been. Hmmm.

Who is cleaver I wonder.

Cleaver wrote: »

Now, Shakespeare I get and love. And to be honest, I have to say that his prose makes more sense to me than your posts.

What can I say. I guess you struggle with anything that doesn't come with footnotes.

It does seem as if my self evident explanations were of assistance.
I shall try to use crayons and short words in my future dealings with you.

But do remember, if you insist on butting into big boy conversations, you might get a bit confused.

Cleaver

geneer wrote: »

What can I say. I guess you struggle with anything that doesn't come with footnotes.

It does seem as if my self evident explanations were of assistance.
I shall to use crayons and short words in my future dealings with you.

But do remember, if you insist on butting into big boy conversations, you might get a bit confused.

Why do you act like this?

peakoil_2

Cleaver wrote: »

Why do you act like this?

because he's a bitter and twisted ar sehole.

geneer

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's never been quite this bad? I'm just wondering what has set it all off. I'm guessing it must be something on another hose price board. Like I said the other day I went to check out this CC forum.

Get's even more confusing, as on an australian house price forum, geener said something else and JD didn't say anything at all, so JD is even more wrong than everyone who did say something.

There are a number of errors in your statement.
This appears to need some clarifying.

There has been lots of discussion about JD over the years on a number of House Price Crash forums. This is only to be expected because, as the Media's go to guy for contra-vi opinion he's been somewhat of a focal point for bullish derision.


You are incorrect, in that I was not active in any Australian House Price forum.

Historically, a number of posters left HPC following Fubra's purchase of the same. They ended up on GlobalHousePriceCrash, a splinter forum if you like, which was to have less restricted moderation policies.

GHPC did ultimately close down, and many of the posters ended up on CreditCrunch, which continued in the same vein.

Credit crunch does have international forums. The australia forum turned out to be problematic, and crawling with the most tedious types of trolls. I'm not sure of the specifics but even on an open and anti-moderation forum it seemed something had to be done.
The offenders were banned and CC changed its membership policies to prevent massive amounts of banal sock puppetry.

The UK forum encountered what became know as the "OZ massive" on only one occasion. One of the trolls decided to expand to the UK forum for a bit of extra fun. Despite only a handful of low level encounters said poster was called out as an obvious troll by myself.
So enraged was Mr Troll at being so predictably obvious, and at being called out despite a raft of well practiced troll cover up routines, that, for "no apparent reason" every other troll from the OZ forum started swarming across the UK boards in an angry fashion. An event which caused more derision than disruption. As I recall, said poster even joined MSE to seek out one Mister Hamish McTavish to invite him across to join Credit Crunch, perhaps on the assumption that it would cause irritation to those posters who were glad to see the back of Mr McTavish previously.

Mr McTavish, a former Member of both HPC and GHPC claimed to have popped in randomly, allying himself with said disruptive trolls.
It all came out in the end in comedy fashion.

Finally, one poster (pimperne1) on CC became so tedious and repetative that he was uncerimoniously banned. This was quite an event for an open forum, and there was a lot of discussion about the same. A handful of Pimperne1s associates (and also former members of HPC, GHPC) decided to join him here under new usernames.

However, it is an unwritten rule of the internet that banned posters must constantly keep tabs on their former haunts, regularly posting angry links and commentary about the same. Hamish does it. Pimperne1 does it. Apparently the OZ trolls do it. Because they followed the discussions at CC to here, and Joined MSE to
whine and moan about CC moderation here (hence the influx of members with low post counts and a strange familiarity with House Price discussions).

Those highly disruptive trolls, now appear to have joined forces with the more tedious repetative trolls, and the board spammers, in an orgy of thanking and back slapping.

Hamish and a handful of the MSE bulls have thrown in their lot with the Oz bulls and the former Credit Crunch Bulls to create a vortex of sheer tedium.

The veneer of credibility has been stripped off. The benefit of the doubt has gone. Its clear to me that we're seeing the true colours of a number of posters.

Naturally, as a troller of trolls, I take a lot of delight in pointing this out. I do apologise if that is annoying to some.
But not if its annoying to those who deserve it.



Anyway, I know this kind of cross forum thing is of little interest for many, and I do hope you will simply ignore rather than become suddenly fixated on the same.
Just seems that theres a lot of stuff flying around at the moment, and it was an appropriate time to set the record somewhat straighter.

geneer

Cleaver wrote: »

Why do you act like this?

Same reason you do. Only, you're a bit more toothless in your efforts.

Cleaver

geneer wrote: »

Historically, a number of posters left HPC following Fubra's purchase of the same. They ended up on GlobalHousePriceCrash, a splinter forum if you like, which was to have less restricted moderation policies.

GHPC did ultimately close down, and many of the posters ended up on CreditCrunch, which continued in the same vein.

Credit crunch does have international forums. The australia forum turned out to be problematic, and crawling with the most tedious types of trolls. I'm not sure of the specifics but even on an open and anti-moderation forum it seemed something had to be done.
The offenders were banned and CC changed its membership policies to prevent massive amounts of banal sock puppetry.

The UK forum encountered what became know as the "OZ massive" on only one occasion. One of the trolls decided to expand to the UK forum for a bit of extra fun. Despite only a handful of low level encounters said poster was called out as an obvious troll by myself.
So enraged was Mr Troll at being so predictably obvious, and at being called out despite a raft of well practiced troll cover up routines, that, for "no apparent reason" every other troll from the OZ forum started swarming across the UK boards in an angry fashion. An event which caused more derision than disruption. As I recall, said poster even joined MSE to seek out one Mister Hamish McTavish to invite him across to join Credit Crunch, perhaps on the assumption that it would cause irritation to those posters who were glad to see the back of Mr McTavish previously.

Mr McTavish, a former Member of both HPC and GHPC claimed to have popped in randomly, allying himself with said disruptive trolls.
It all came out in the end in comedy fashion.

Finally, one poster (pimperne1) on CC became so tedious and repetative that he was uncerimoniously banned. This was quite an event for an open forum, and there was a lot of discussion about the same. A handful of Pimperne1s associates (and also former members of HPC, GHPC) decided to join him here under new usernames.

However, it is an unwritten rule of the internet that banned posters must constantly keep tabs on their former haunts, regularly posting angry links and commentary about the same. Hamish does it. Pimperne1 does it. Apparently the OZ trolls do it. Because they followed the discussions at CC to here, and Joined MSE to
whine and moan about CC moderation here (hence the influx of members with low post counts and a strange familiarity with House Price discussions).

Holy sh*t. On first read this sounds like the history of some form of political ideology with decades of struggle and turbulance involving hundreds of thousands of dedicated individuals. Then you have to remind yourself that this is actually all about a handful of people bickering back and forth about house prices on a couple of forums.

geneer wrote: »

a splinter forum if you like

Thrugelmir

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

Government owned banks are strong domestic recovery plays that correlate with actually owning a piece of property. Buy Lloyds, it will synthetically behave like a piece of property over the next 3-5 years. that's if you want to do something like that.

Why are the share prices of both RBS and Lloyds correlated to the property market?


More than likely in the medium term to longer term they'll go their seperate ways.