housing benefit(opinion)

rosysparkle

There is no such thing as a pre-determination tenancy.

You may mean a pre-tenancy determination, which determines the maximum amount HB will contribute towards a claimant's rent. A PTD does not affect an AST, the contractual rent is still due from the tenant.

The council does not become a party to the contract between landlord and tenant, nor is that contract altered in any way by a rent officer decision.

dmg24

Definitely on something ...

peter999

deary65 wrote:

When I first read the previous thead on hb, two thing disturbed my thinking .Arbitrary decisions seemed to be, being made affecting the security of peoples homes also, people were discussing rules and regulation without an understanding of laws behind them.

It was not until I read an instrument known as a pre-determination tenancy I then realized that the department had taken legal advice on the matter since this is the only way around the law.

Whilst it is true to say that parliament is the supreme law maker and they are freely elected by the people of this nation, and could if they so wished, pass a law to abolish it self however, it could never pass a law to abolish the monarchy. For vested in the vote of the people conveying their will to parliament, nowhere in that conveyance is an implied authority the deprive them of their freedom to freely enter in contractual relations. For that grant comes from a higher authority, together with all our needs provided for, and subjected only to our capacity to manage them wisely for the benefit of us all.

What I would like is a letter from the secretary of state via his lawfully appointed agent the rent officer confirming that he has the legal authority vested in him to disturb a holy union of two or more persons and place a value on that union and the legal authority to rebind in a new union. In other words hold both parties to the decision.
regards

Each to their own.

The authorities will happily give people the runaround & wind people in red tape until you give in.

There are many techniques in fighting these battles.

When you have hit a brick wall, outwit & confuse your opponent, creating a lot of extra bother & work for them can be very successful !!

If you have seen Magistrates rubber stamping miscarriages of justice, then you'll know the law is misunderstood or conveniently ignored when it suits them.

peter999

deary65

Firstly, People do not always understand the laws under which they live and indeed why should they. But governments do for they have access to the best legal advice.
Hopefully you now understand why I started a new thread on this subject. These matters strikes at the very foundation of are constitution, if this disturbance is without legal authority.
For the benefit of those who may read the thread.
The king in his grace ie with the authority vested in me by God, I grant to you an estate of land in my kingdom for you to manage on behalf of the crown for the benefit of the my subjects thereupon.
IN this country when two or more people make an agreement in relation to land in eyes of the law this what takes please. The tenant and the landlord make a binding agreement that is, the land, the tenant the landlord, together with the price all become bonded in a “holy union”. One to which, the law will protect.
The important thing to remember is all land is in the ownership of the crown, so the crown is automatically a party to the agreement the tenant and the landlord are in holy union with the crown.
Hopefully you can understand now, why I ask for the information I did.

dmg24

Can somebody wake me when he is finished please?

real1314

Hang on though, does this mean my mortgage is bound by the same rules? Land, Laws, Agreement between 2 parties in holy smoke.
So the law (and God) says that the authorities are bound into the payments and must make them every month if I default? whoopeee! Forget the £2.5m weekly rent, I'm off to buy the Royal Estate.

Or, is it more likely that Deary65 mistakenly put the letters "li" at the start of the last word of his/her tag line?

deary65

peter999
I know,They have closed my account at rightsnet forum,where welfair workers give advice,they have even got these people conned.

Have you noticed how they thank each other on this? forum,trying to keep people in two minds,that is because people don't know the law.

I have never got a letter in answer to my question.The rent was always paid in full.
It unfortunate that people might lose their homes because of this.
Each to their own.

The authorities will happily give people the runaround & wind people in red tape until you give in.

There are many techniques in fighting these battles.

When you have hit a brick wall, outwit & confuse your opponent, creating a lot of extra bother & work for them can be very successful !!

If you have seen Magistrates rubber stamping miscarriages of justice, then you'll know the law is misunderstood or conveniently ignored when it suits them.

peter999

rosysparkle

On the contrary, it's clear that real1314 and I do know the law on this.

You can dress it up in whatever flowery language you like, you can try and invoke deities in support of your contention (though IMO you are weakening an already fallacious argument), but all your words won't change the FACT that a rent officer decision on how much public money will be paid in housing benefit will not, does not and CAN NOT intefere with an AST agreement.

I'll say it again.

The contract between the landlord and tenant is not changed by a tenant's application for housing benefit. Whether the tenant receives 1% or 100% of the the rent amount from HB (or anything in between), the contractual rent is still due from the tenant.

Neither the rent officer nor the council become a party to the contract. The contract is still between the landlord and the tenant.

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real1314

Peter and Deary,

It is becoming increasingly clear that you are both suggesting that I (and others) am not giving honest advice, but am trotting out some sort of conspired "party line". This is not the case. I have given clear advice based on both my knowledge and based on the law itself. I have given references to the relevant laws where appropriate.
You have not substantiated your claims and yet you continue to smear my reputation with your comments.
I respectfully request that you desist from making comments about my (and others) so-called inability to understand the law until such times as you are able to show that unequivicably that my advice / comments are incorrect.

Regards

real1314