Been refused JSA need advice urgently

crystaltipps

Anubis wrote: »

When did you start your course? The old rules apply depending on start of course, which includes the "couple" rule.

Additionally

As you are claiming ctc you will also be getting the bursary. Your loan and the ctc and bursary may be considered too high.

Are you not able to claim housing benefit?

Also, you can only claim JSA if you are a full time student if you meet one of the following criteria - remember your course has to be an "approved" course, if it isn't then you cannot claim. Do you fit one of the criteria below?

• on an employment-related course of up to two weeks which has been approved in advance by the DWP or a Venture Trust training programme of up to four weeks. !In either case, only one course is allowed in any 12-month period; or
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• aged 25 or over and on an approved employment-related course including one under the New Deal for up to nine months; or
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• have had to take time out of your course due to illness or to care for someone else; you can apply for JSA once you recover or your caring responsibilities cease up to the point when you return to your course as agreed with the University.
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• You are on a full-time employment-related course approved by an employment officer at the Jobcentre Plus. !You can claim JSA for just two weeks.
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• If you are a full-time student with a partner, s/he can claim JSA without you needing to be available for work. !However, your income as a student will be taken into account and may affect the amount of JSA s/he would receive.

What is your course?

http://tees-su.org.uk/files/advicemeans_tested_benefits09.doc

Entitlement to JSA as a lone parent during the 'long' summer break from university is allowed. If the parent has a child under 7, they would be entitled to income support. I know from personal experience that this is true. I also have a friend that hasn't bothered to claim because she hates the absolute palaver that has been made evident here - she just saves and makes do for the break.

ONW is simply stating that Housing Benefit/LHA etc is a means tested benefit in all circumstances - be it a job seeker, worker, lone parent etc. Your eligibility and amount is entirely down to the amount of income they can count (obviously not including disregards such as SSG/PLA/Child Benefit - as the OP has discovered, hopefully to her benefit) and minus the amount the government has decided you need to live on. They then allocate 65% of the excess amount towards your rent. There really isn't such a thing as a 'full' claim or 'partial award'. It is calculated on your income.

Anubis_2

Entitlement to JSA as a lone parent during the 'long' summer break from university is allowed.]

Yes it is, but you have to fit the course and other criteria, as the link I posted clearly states. Therefore not everyone will be entitled.

Additionally, if the old rule applies, then it may not be allowed for lone parents.

I think when people say "part housing benefit" they simply mean that they are not entitled to the full amount, but rather only part of their rent, due to income.

AsknAnswer2

meme2012 wrote: »

I'm rather lucky in this respect, my sister is a teacher. In the event I secure employment, she will initially be able to help out for a few hours each day during the summer holidays. I did get a leaflet from my daughters school a few weeks ago regarding a summer camp, it worked out just a few pounds short of £90pw. Children had to be booked in early due to limited places and they required the full sum upfront....it was a non-starter

My cousin puts her children in a summer camp every year, whilst she gets help with child care costs, she still has to pay the bulk of the cost upfront; it takes around 3-4 weeks for her to be reimbursed. She has said that saving up the deposit leaves her financially strapped from the New Year until the reimbursment comes through.

That's a bit of good fortune for you!

meme2012

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I will stop trying to help you understand QUOTE]

Please do.

meme2012

Anubis,

You wanted to know my term dates for last academic year: 27th Sept 2010 - 3rd June 2011. In relation to JSA and Income Support, you are not able to claim for more than 12 weeks period. Hence my application being made on the 4th July, my next academic year starts 26th Sept 2011. I'm studying for a first degree.

Extract from the current JSA booklet being handed out to claimaints (April 2010, pg.17)

"Most full-time students at college or university can't get Jobseeker's Allowance either. Certain students with responsibility for children can claim Jobseeker's Allowance during the summer holiday. This includes single people and couples who are both full time students."


Might I direct you to -

http://www.cpag.org.uk/cro/wrb/wrb208/Lone_parents.htm#3
　
　　
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1826/pdfs/uksiem_20081826_en.pdf
　
and...

c. Jobseekers' Allowance (JSA)
Full-time students are generally not entitled to JSA. However there are exceptions if:
i) you are a lone parent, or one half of a couple, both of whom are students, and with dependent children - you can claim JSA during the summer vacation only, providing you are available for employment.
ii) you are a full-time student who suspended your studies due to illness or caring duties (eg looking after a sick relative) and are you have recovered from your illness or ceased your caring duties and are waiting to return to your course.
You can claim JSA from the day after you recover or cease caring duties until the day before you have agreed with the institution to return to your course or the day before you return to your course – whichever date comes first. This claim must be no longer than one academic year. After six months on JSA, if you are under 25 you will be required to go onto the New Deal 18-24 programme.

http://www.nus.org.uk/Advice/Money-and-Funding/Info-and-Advice/Students-and-social-security-benefits/

Oldernotwiser

crystaltipps wrote: »

ONW is simply stating that Housing Benefit/LHA etc is a means tested benefit in all circumstances - be it a job seeker, worker, lone parent etc. Your eligibility and amount is entirely down to the amount of income they can count (obviously not including disregards such as SSG/PLA/Child Benefit - as the OP has discovered, hopefully to her benefit) and minus the amount the government has decided you need to live on. They then allocate 65% of the excess amount towards your rent. There really isn't such a thing as a 'full' claim or 'partial award'. It is calculated on your income.

Maybe she'll believe you!

meme2012

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Maybe she'll believe you!

What is your problem, are you bored, a troll, a WUM or what?

It is succinct throughout the thread that I know HB is means tested and that my current HB is based on my student loan/grant income...which is calculated over a 38 or 40 week period, not 52 weeks. Crystaltipps thought that my HB award appeared on the low side. Thus, they suggested I contact HB to see if they had included sums that should be disregarded...thanks to her/his suggestion I discovered that they had.

You are making yourself look silly, oldernotwiser, by repeatedly twisting my turn of phrase regarding part and full housing benefit. I wil make this clear one final time for you -

HB currently covers part of my rent based on my student loan/grant income.
My rent is £100.pw, my current HB entitlement is £40.pw.

The maximum amount of HB that I could be awarded at given time would be £100.pw (based on my current rent).

Thus, £100.pw HB would be the full amount rent that my landlord currently charges...this is the maximum sum that I would qualify for..be warded...be entitled to... at any given time based on my income at the time of application.

Currently HB covers part of my rent - £40.pw

sunnyone

meme2012 wrote: »

What is your problem, are you bored, a troll, a WUM or what?

It is succinct throughout the thread that I know HB is means tested and that my current HB is based on my student loan/grant income...which is calculated over a 38 or 40 week period in respect of HB, not 52 weeks. Crystaltipps thought that my HB award appeared on the low side. Thus, they suggested I contact HB to see if they had included sums that should be disregarded...thanks to her/his suggestion I discovered that they had.

You are making yourself look silly, oldernotwiser, by repeatedly twisting my turn of phrase regarding part and full housing benefit. I wil make this clear one final time for you -

HB is currently paying part of my rent based on my student loan/grant income.
My rent is £100.pw, my current HB entitlement is £40.pw.

The maximum (full) amount of HB that I could be awarded at given time would be £100.pw (based on my current rent).

Thus, £100.pw HB would be the full amount rent that my landlord currently charges...this is the maximum sum that I would qualify for..be warded...be entitled to... at any given time based on my income at the time of application.

Currently HB covers part of my rent - £40.pw

She is right, you are wrong, you need to apologise for your ignorance and for calling her names etc.

Oldernotwiser

meme2012 wrote: »

Yes, I'm well aware HB is means tested. However, there is 'such a thing as' partial HB and full HB entitlement. If one is in receipt of JSA or Income Support then generally, provided ones rent falls within the specified threshold, they qualify for full HB entitlement. As my current HB is based on my university loan income, which is higher than JSA or Income Support, I have only been awarded partial HB.

meme2012 wrote: »

What is your problem, are you bored, a troll, a WUM or what?

It is succinct throughout the thread that I know HB is means tested and that my current HB is based on my student loan/grant income...which is calculated over a 38 or 40 week period, not 52 weeks. Crystaltipps thought that my HB award appeared on the low side. Thus, they suggested I contact HB to see if they had included sums that should be disregarded...thanks to her/his suggestion I discovered that they had.

You are making yourself look silly, oldernotwiser, by repeatedly twisting my turn of phrase regarding part and full housing benefit.

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meme2012

sunnyone wrote: »

She is right, you are wrong, you need to apologise for your ignorance and for calling her names etc.

I have done nothing that warrants an apology. Where have I named called and what am I ignorant about? And what "etc" demands an apology? Rhetorical questions, no need to reply, my previous posts answer.

I'm dismayed that 'oldernotwiser' has found it entertaining to take my turn of phrase out of context and persists in attempting to goad me. I hope you're not intending on joining them in their petty crusade. Specifically, when it is clear that I am in a very difficult situation and turned to this forum for advice.

I don't think it is me that needs to apologise!

Maximum HB


Where the claimant is entitled to

• Income Support, or
• income related Employment and Support Allowance; or
• income based Job Seekers Allowance,

or their income is less than the amount the government say they need to live on (see applicable amount), they are entitled to maximum HB - usually 100% of the maximum eligible rent (less any deductions for other adults living in your household).

Partial benefit

Where the claimant does not qualify for the maximum, HB is decided by comparing the income of the claimant and partner, in the case of couples, against their applicable amount.

http://www.merton.gov.uk/advice-benefits/benefits/hb-ctb/housingbenefit/calculatinghb.htm