MSE News: £6,000 or £9,000 uni fees? Is it an irrelevant decision?

Occams_Razor_2

Lokolo wrote: »

Yes, we were, and none of us went to a 'prestigious' university, yet we were all qualified to do the same job as someone who went to a top 20 university, but just at a different company. I doubt that out of the 300 that applied for the job, no-one went to a top 20 university, so the fact that I (and the other 5) got chosen for the final interview process told me that it didn't matter what university you went to.

And my logic is fine thank you very much.

ok, so you're point is you got *a* job.

are all those people from prestigious universities unemployed? do they have second rate jobs with second rate firms?

is that what you're saying?

because if its not your logic is terrible.

Occams_Razor_2

The_One_Who wrote: »

I'm not the one getting defensive.

ah, the "no you are" maneuver. brilliant!

Oh, and I'm female.

well that makes all the difference now doesn't it?

point stands, on every level Walt.

Occams_Razor_2

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Having an MBA (from whatever institution) doesn't make you an expert on education, as is proven by your posts.

this is getting tedious. come back when you know what a non sequitur is?

or even when you've a got point.

Lokolo

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

ok, so you're point is you got *a* job.

are all those people from prestigious universities unemployed? do they have second rate jobs with second rate firms?

is that what you're saying?

because if its not your logic is terrible.

Are you even reading my posts? I said I got the equivalent job at someone who went to a top 20 university, it must mean my university had no big impact on my application. The company I work for recruited those with experience over those who went to a better university (assuming those from better universities were part of the 300 applicants), meaning, once again, it didn't matter which university you went to.

But I will tell you what, out of my group of close friends, I went to the worst university and got the best job (in terms of being at a big city firm, salary, benefits. But depends on what someone thinks as a good job, as I imagine not everyone is in it for the money.)

So your logic that "going to a better university will get a better job", is complete nonsense.

Oldernotwiser

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

this is getting tedious. come back when you know what a non sequitur is?

or even when you've a got point.

Come back when you know what a question is.

Occams_Razor_2

Lokolo wrote: »

Are you even reading my posts? I said I got the equivalent job at someone who went to a top 20 university, it must mean my university had no big impact on my application. The company I work for recruited those with experience over those who went to a better university (assuming those from better universities were part of the 300 applicants), meaning, once again, it didn't matter which university you went to.

actually no it doesn't! and your inexperience is showing. what you need to demonstrate is that you competed head on with people from better institutions and won - and you do is repeat the same flawed logic, without seeing it.

all you keep saying is that your firm, doesn't have people from good universities. is it the leader in your field? it might be? because for your point to be relevant it is not enough to say YOU got A job in SOME firm, unless you can show you were successful ABOVE these other people.

abnd its pretty bloody clear, you have no idea whether that's true at all. your firm doesn't have any of these graduates (and you are recent graduate right?) - which needs to be benchmarked for your point to stand.

is your firm the goldman sachs of its field? do you reject them, or do they reject your firm?

unless you can show some meaningful corollary, you revert back to the "but I got a job, any job" argument - and that is logically flawed.

that you also keep harping back to the experience example, also tells me this is a more technical and less academic discipline to start with.

I will come clean on one thing: I work with a lot of investment banks (high end consultancy), and they only recruit the brightest and smartest - experience plays no part at all. in fact, we get the very best to work for a summer as free interns, just to see if they fit in. its very difficult to get an internship at one of the elite institutions without the best qualifications.

the candidates have their pick, and if they are not at your firm - I have to wonder why that it is. because the best firms, are filled with the best qualified.

But I will tell you what, out of my group of close friends, I went to the worst university and got the best job (in terms of being at a big city firm, salary, benefits. But depends on what someone thinks as a good job, as I imagine not everyone is in it for the money.)

okkkkkk then... but I have to tell you I don't think we are talking a sample size consisting of you and a couple of your buddies.

So your logic that "going to a better university will get a better job", is complete nonsense.

I don't think you've shown anything more than why you could only get into the worst university.

Occams_Razor_2

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Come back when you know what a question is.

oooh seeing as you didn't ask one, I can only assume you a bit thick?

next

Lokolo

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

I will come clean on one thing: I work with a lot of investment banks (high end consultancy), and they only recruit the brightest and smartest - experience plays no part at all. in fact, we get the very best to work for a summer as free interns, just to see if they fit in. its very difficult to get an internship at one of the elite institutions without the best qualifications.

The company I am working for does similar to an investment bank.

As for hiring free interns, this is complete bull****. My friend works for JP Morgan, he had his summer internship and got paid. Goldman Sachs also pay for their summer interns. Where on earth do you get this crap from?

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

all you keep saying is that your firm, doesn't have people from good universities. is it the leader in your field? it might be? because for your point to be relevant it is not enough to say YOU got A job in SOME firm, unless you can show you were successful ABOVE these other people.

Although I see your point, the same is valid vice versa. I can say I can achieve similar level to those that went to a top 20 university, as above, my friend who works for JP Morgan (who went to Bristol). His job is the same as mine, but at different companies (I didn't apply to JP).

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

is your firm the goldman sachs of its field? do you reject them, or do they reject your firm?

I actually rejected one of the best companies in the world to work for this company (after receiving an offer from both).

Occam/s_Razor wrote: »

I don't think you've shown anything more than why you could only get into the worst university.

And this shows what an idiot you are. Who says that I could only get into the worst university? I went there for a reason, to have fun whilst doing a degree, and to come out with something valuable. And I have. And if I had to do it over again, I'd do the same.

Also did you ever use to hang around in TSR?

The_One_Who

That a company or industry basically exploits young people isn't something to boast about... Not to mention the grey-area of the legalities of it.

That you work with investment banks isn't a surprise, and that is why your opinion is the way it is. IB and barristers are two of the worst industries for university elitism. They are known for recruiting from a very select group of institutions. However, there are hundreds of other industries out there that don't discriminate.

Lokolo

The_One_Who wrote: »

That a company or industry basically exploits young people isn't something to boast about... Not to mention the grey-area of the legalities of it.

That you work with investment banks isn't a surprise, and that is why your opinion is the way it is. IB and barristers are two of the worst industries for university elitism. They are known for recruiting from a very select group of institutions. However, there are hundreds of other industries out there that don't discriminate.

And a lot of them hang about on TSR! That's why I left and came to this lovely place