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mountainofdebt

About 2 years ago I posted on here how I had been suspended from my job at that time on a gross misconduct charge.(The charge was that I hadn't banked some cheques received)

The charge was upheld (I admitted it as there was no way it could be denied,lol) and although I took it to appeal, I knew it was just a formality and that there was no way in hell would I be reinstated.

(Intereresting enough the person who initiated the gross misconduct proceedings left the organisation shortly afterwards - I don't know if it was co--incidence or whether issues that were relevant to the case that become knowledge to the board meant that they walked rather than pushed .....all I know is that they left.)

So started 6 months of hell - confidence rock bottom, which meant my performance in roles wasn't fully typical and debts couldn't be paid off and ended up having to agree to reduced payments. The road to recovery began when I got my present role in which I've been praised in and performing really well

However even though life is a little better the pay isn't exactly brillant and I really want to clear my debts quicker; I have a 2nd job which tbh is looking shakey so have been looking at the various job sites to see what's out there.

So I see an advert for my previous role, paying alot more money than I'm currently on. I'm torn between applying for it and not -part of me thinks what the hell - I was good in my role and my only crime was not to bank some cheques once and the punishment handed down was certainly disproportionate and its ina sector I would love to return to, but the other part thinks why bother as I doubt I would get an interview, especially given my history with them and I know I ruffled a few feathers by challenging the processes (in a nice sort of way,lol)

So what would you do ?

Jarndyce

Is this a wind up?

Are you seriously saying that you are considering applying for a job to an employer that sacked you from the same job two years ago for gross misconduct?

No chance.

Whatever you think about the gravity of your offence, you were found guilty of gross misconduct and sacked. Quite frankly you don't seem to grasp the seriousness of what happened, with your 'lol's and talk of 'ruffling feathers'. Forget it. No employer in their right minds is going to consider a re-application from anyone in those circumstances.

hcb42

why would you go back, they sacked you for what on the face of it seems disproportionate.

forget them.

Jarndyce

hcb42 wrote: »

why would you go back, they sacked you for what on the face of it seems disproportionate.

forget them.

I disagree. He admitted to failing to bank cheques on the company's behalf. That is a gross breach of trust and confidence and it was well within the range of reasonable responses for the employer to dismiss for gross misconduct.

hcb42

I said "on the face of it"

If he didnt bank on Tue, but they were banked Wed, and he worked for IBM it would be disproportionate. It could have been an admin error, that is not a gross breach of trust and confidence, perhaps he worked late (for his employer!) and missed the bank. I don't know, and you don't know.

DCFC79

Do you think they would take you back ? I personally wouldnt apply for a job id been sacked from as id rather forget what happened and move on rather than go back.

bluenoseam

If you did apply for it i'd say there's a better chance of me being crowned the next Miss Universe, and the bare truth in that is i'd be the first man to win it, you ADMITTED something which was classed as GROSS MISCONDUCT, doesn't matter how you dress that up, you admitted to being very much in the wrong, no employer in their right mind would rehire you after that sort of oversight. I think you should re-adjust your expectations i'm afraid, i know that's harsh, but ultimately you're in a situation whereby that will be on your record & conscience for a long time to come, while it probably doesn't seem like a huge mistake it's not something which many employers paying the paygrade you would like to get into would overlook.

mountainofdebt

Jarndyce

Yes I 'get' the seriousness of what happened - as I said it lead to six months worth of hell for me and mine. And yes I did (and still do) consider it disproportionate - especially when it was obvious that I was being an example of. The person who initated the misconduct charge was also the person who held the disciplinary hearing and decided on its outcome - tell me now that I stood any chance of receiving a fair hearing or receiving a proportionate punishment?

You say that it showed a gross breach of trust or confidence - are you serious. It was a SINGLE occasion that the cheques weren't banked and were kept in a secure location at all times. God foerbid you should ever forget to do something.

And yes I did ruffle feathers - implementing proceedures into a department that had none meant that feathers were going to be ruffled and noses put out of joint - and I make no apologies for that.

DCFC79

I doubt very much I would even get to the interview stage to be honest. However its in an area of work that I would love to return to and this is the first job (in that sector) that I've seen that ticks all the boxes as far as hours, salary and location is concerned.

I do know that had my appeal been successful that I would have returned and held no grudges; however I believe that it was a case of her or me and, given what the organisatin had gone through prior to me joining it, there was no way I was going to be allowed to return. Given that the person who initiated the charges has left I feel it could work but as I said I doubt very much I would even get shortlisted.

Jarndyce

mountainofdebt wrote: »

Jarndyce

Yes I 'get' the seriousness of what happened - as I said it lead to six months worth of hell for me and mine. And yes I did (and still do) consider it disproportionate - especially when it was obvious that I was being an example of. The person who initated the misconduct charge was also the person who held the disciplinary hearing and decided on its outcome - tell me now that I stood any chance of receiving a fair hearing or receiving a proportionate punishment?

You say that it showed a gross breach of trust or confidence - are you serious. It was a SINGLE occasion that the cheques weren't banked and were kept in a secure location at all times. God foerbid you should ever forget to do something.

And yes I did ruffle feathers - implementing proceedures into a department that had none meant that feathers were going to be ruffled and noses put out of joint - and I make no apologies for that.

So did you take your case to an Employment Tribunal to complain about these injustices and ride majestically to victory with a massive compensation cheque? Thought not.

Yes I am serious. You committed an offence and were punished for it. Your argument is a bit like the 'I only stole 10p' one. You were responsible for the company's banking, failed to do it, interrupted the company's revenue stream and whether it was a few cheques for one day or not, the company were entitled to dismiss you for gross misconduct and no Tribunal would have said that dismissal was outside of the range of reasonable responses.

You may think you 'ruffled feathers' but in the end you were sacked. For gross misconduct . That is all your personnel record will say. Anyone who thinks they have a cat in hell's chance of getting a job with an employer after that needs their head examining.

scooby088

There's an old saying never go back and to be honest you a mighty cheeky to even think they would even consider you, you were sacked and as such they wouldn't want you back in any circumstance.

eamon

Nevermind the "hang em high" brigade. You forgot to bank some cheques in a timely fashion, nobody died and you didn't personally benefit. I don't see the big deal here. I've seen much worse behaviour go unpunished and equally less serious misdemeanors excessively punished. If you believe that you have a chance of getting the job then apply. The worst that can happen is that they say no and you have wasted some of your time.