Bombardier

Herbie_Hancock_I_wish

Please correct me if I wrong , Is it the same Siemens That were involved in this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2233890.stm .

Then again, after the Tory campaign of 1979 " Labour isn`t working " , old Thatch managed to take unemployment up to 3 million .

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BenL wrote: »

So we have gained employment for a net of 600

They're talking about up to 6,000 jobs being lost in the supply chain, on top of the layoffs at the Bombardier works.

What is worse is that there won't be any recovery from this.

But then, buying from the Germans is only a stepping stone on the way to buying everything from the Chinese and the Indians, so we'd better get used to that idea and figure out what we're going to do about it. Just trying to hold back the tide never works.

John_Pierpoint

Herbie_Hancock_I_wish wrote: »

Please correct me if I wrong , Is it the same Siemens That were involved in this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2233890.stm .

Then again, after the Tory campaign of 1979 " Labour isn`t working " , old Thatch managed to take unemployment up to 3 million .

What a cheap racist gibe - I've got a cyclone vacuum cleaner. I must remember to hide it, along with the piggy bank next time a friend with strange religious proclivities comes to visit.

ICI used to supply Zyklon B to the LCC for the fumigating of London's East End homes.

I wonder how many complaints there were about the death of the bed bugs.

MRSTITTLEMOUSE

John_Pierpoint wrote: »

What a cheap racist gibe - I've got a cyclone vacuum cleaner. I must remember to hide it, along with the piggy bank next time a friend with strange religious proclivities comes to visit.

ICI used to supply Zyklon B to the LCC for the fumigating of London's East End homes.

I wonder how many complaints there were about the death of the bed bugs.

Hardly racist,just a fact.
Time does'nt erase facts.
I hardly think bed bugs compare with the point the poster was making either considering Zyklon B was designed for fumigating vermin.
I think you are the one being racist if you consider bedbugs comparible to human beings and just as worthy of fumigation in the same way as a bed bug.

wymondham

So are Siemans building these carriages in the UK or Germany...?

ERICS_MUM

zygurat789 wrote: »

The German quote was "better value for money"
It must have been a lot less than Bombadier to enable the govt to pay redundancy and unemployment benefits, not receive all the tax and NI and pay more because the pound will go down against the Euro as a result of these outflows.
I'd like to see the siemens share register

You and I know this, but c'mon, do you really think that anyone in the gov't possesses:

(a). the business savvy to complete a financial impact and risk assessment as part of determining the true price & cost of each bid,

(b)any level of allegiance to the working people of this country ?

To them it was a paper exercise. Shame on them.

I wonder if Cameron actually knew all the details of the decision before it was announced ? If so, shame on him.

daveyjp

Considering DB railways (German national operator) own UK train operators (Arriva) and operate UK freight services (Db Schenker UK, EWS) is it any surprise a German company were able to win a bid?

They know the UK rail industry operations inside out.

How many Train Operating Companies do Bombardier own?

Jennifer_Jane

Surely if Bombardier had got this contract, it would only have been postponing the inevitable? Hope this is a wake-up call for Bombardier to get some Research & Development going and sort themselves out. (Sorry for split infinitive).

Jennifer_Jane

ERICS_MUM wrote: »

You and I know this, but c'mon, do you really think that anyone in the gov't possesses:

(a). the business savvy to complete a financial impact and risk assessment as part of determining the true price & cost of each bid,

(b)any level of allegiance to the working people of this country ?

To them it was a paper exercise. Shame on them.

I wonder if Cameron actually knew all the details of the decision before it was announced ? If so, shame on him.

It does seem that it is Labour's shame, though, doesn't it? They agreed the contract details. As you know, they are the people who negotiated Fred Goodwin's retirement package. So not so good at negotiation were they? But then they were also the people who thought that poor people wouldn't be made poorer by the removal of the 10% tax band. I think I lost faith in them at the point that Brown laughed when he was told that.

ILW

It does appear that the Siemans trains are a better product.