Hands off my pension

ruggedtoast

Pennywise wrote: »

Just to clarify that the vast majority of private sector workers don't even get any benefits, let alone bonuses and performance related pay. There are SOME workers in the private sector who have good jobs and attractive perks - they're usually the cream of the workforce. Bonuses etc are certainly not common place throughout the private sector and certainly not at average worker levels.

The "vast majority" of private sector workers comprise people on minimum wage working in care homes, right up to Alan Sugar.

I am specifically asking what roles you are so offended by that receive these undeserved perks. A teacher after spending 4 years at university will start at £21k and will struggle to get to £30k.

Do you honestly think that salary actually reflects the responsibility of the position; or is it just possible benefits like pensions add to the overall offer?

olly300

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The "vast majority" of private sector workers comprise people on minimum wage working in care homes, right up to Alan Sugar.

I am specifically asking what roles you are so offended by that receive these undeserved perks. A teacher after spending 4 years at university will start at £21k and will struggle to get to £30k.

Do you honestly think that salary actually reflects the responsibility of the position; or is it just possible benefits like pensions add to the overall offer?

None of the teachers I know who actually still teach or left the profession used pensions as a reason to stay in or leave teaching.

I'm talking about people with mainly STEM degrees here. One of the many reasons they went into teaching is they wanted to give something back.

Unfortunately due to the combination of horridness from parents, school governors or headteachers they left. Interestingly even though a few of them taught in schools where pupils were violent and disruptive they never blamed the pupils for the reason they left teaching.

Most people go into jobs at a young age. When you are young you don't think about your pension. I was only made to think about pensions and retirement because I knew 2 people who worked in the industry due to the mis-selling of pensions.

zappahey

johnny_storm wrote: »

So being a parasite doesnt make someone a bad person? I see.

Idiot. idiot

abaxas

DBSausage wrote: »

This will not tell us if it is sustainable or not, it will simply tell us if it is currently in surplus or not.

We need to look at 5, 10, 20, 50 years into the future (when current working people have retired) to see if it is sustainable. Since the future working population can only be estimated, this is not an easy question to answer with any degree of certainty.

It was a leading question, as the answer is.

Less paying in than are being paid out.

ILW

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The "vast majority" of private sector workers comprise people on minimum wage working in care homes, right up to Alan Sugar.

I am specifically asking what roles you are so offended by that receive these undeserved perks. A teacher after spending 4 years at university will start at £21k and will struggle to get to £30k.

Do you honestly think that salary actually reflects the responsibility of the position; or is it just possible benefits like pensions add to the overall offer?

Snobby attitude.

It is a debatable point whether the teacher on £30k is more deserving than the care home worker on minimum wage. The consequences can be pretty dire if either do not do their job properly and arguably the care home worker is dealing with life and death responsibility on a daily basis.

ruggedtoast

ILW wrote: »

Snobby attitude.

It is a debatable point whether the teacher on £30k is more deserving than the care home worker on minimum wage. The consequences can be pretty dire if either do not do their job properly and arguably the care home worker is dealing with life and death responsibility on a daily basis.

I'm sorry but it is neither a debatable point nor a 'snobby attitude'. One can do the job after leaving school at 16 with an NVQ level 2, and the other needs to spend four years at University and finish with a post graduate qualification.

I agree that caring professions are under rewarded but we live in a capitalist society and the way worth is recognised here is through money.

StevieJ

RenovationMan wrote: »

We need civil servants. What needs to happen is to make sure that their pay and benefits are commensurate with the private sector. Final salaries in the private sector are dead, the public sector should reflect this and move towards money purchase pensions. We should have equality in all aspects of life.

Do you have a final salary pension?

StevieJ

olly300 wrote: »

Most people go into jobs at a young age. When you are young you don't think about your pension. I was only made to think about pensions and retirement because I knew 2 people who worked in the industry due to the mis-selling of pensions.

I certainly did, on the basis that I knew it would be difficult to prioritise a private pension over other things later on. In fact I have never worked at anywhere without one (in private industry).

ILW

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I'm sorry but it is neither a debatable point nor a 'snobby attitude'. One can do the job after leaving school at 16 with an NVQ level 2, and the other needs to spend four years at University and finish with a post graduate qualification.

I agree that caring professions are under rewarded but we live in a capitalist society and the way worth is recognised here is through money.

Are you saying that level of responsibility should have no connection with salary?

olly300

StevieJ wrote: »

I certainly did, on the basis that I knew it would be difficult to prioritise a private pension over other things later on. In fact I have never worked at anywhere without one (in private industry).

People who post a lot on this site don't tend to be the typical person.