Advertising SCAM - National Group - JPC - Journal Group Production Company Limited

againstjpc

Hello Everyone,

arcon5

againstjpc wrote: »

The new setup that this group are using is as follows;

Firstly - move offices - approximately 100 yards up the road - good thinking :money:

Secondly - banish old websites and start using new ones - free ones :money: - and think they can't be traced - unfortunately for them we've traced them

These first two points are irrelevant. They could setup a new ltd company at the same address as the first if they wish. Just sign a new agreement with the landlord.

Using free websites identical to the other -- they are probably free templates. Nothing illegal in that.

When it comes to dealing with limited company formations, try not get whats illegal and whats unethical or immoral mixed up.


Okay, so far we have determined they take your CC details, pass them on to other companies and charge your card. Okay thats fraudulent and breaching DPA. I doubt they are also PCI compliant...


BUT............

How are they scamming people? How are they getting the details in the first place? Start from the beginning so we can understand how they operate...

paddyrg

arcon5 wrote: »

BUT............

How are they scamming people? How are they getting the details in the first place? Start from the beginning so we can understand how they operate...

As threads keep getting pulled when details are mentioned (names, modalities, etc) I think againstjpc is being wise directing you to external sites which have far fuller details.

againstjpc

Thanks Paddy - we have had 2 really good and lengthy threads, that have been pulled because the people in question send complaints in :mad:

We have so far helped a few people get their money back and are looking for other people to help, which is why we find the threads useful.

Also, the more people we find, the more evidence we are collating and sending through to relevant people :money:

GomerPyle

Having had two threads pulled all I will add to the discussion is that anyone who feels that their card has been charged improperly, or who believes that the facts have been misrepresented to them should make a claim against their card company. If they do not receive a satisfactory response they are then entitled to take the matter forward to the Financial Ombudsman Service and I will happily assist anyone with such a claim.

Facts, evidence and names are elsewhere on the internet on a site unconnected and unassociated with this forum.

If people knew their rights and took full advantage of them this would never happen.

GomerPyle

On a general note:

Never ever give your card details to anyone over the telephone - and anyone calling you who asks for them is up to no good.

My corner shop has a machine that means I never let go of the card and he never gets to know my pin number, so giving those details to a complete stranger over the phone is asking for trouble.

It also means that they don't have an online facility to take card payments which is a major warning, as a properly secure website at least restricts usage to that company, whereas by verbally passing on details means it's being made available for multiple abuse and you have no control.

There are a lot of questions to ask and methods of checking but the one thing you should do when asked to provide card details over the phone is put the phone down, having made clear you won't do business with them.

GomerPyle

Again on a general note, I have received a reply to an enquiry that I addressed to the Financial Services Authority. I haven't yet read it in depth to absorb the content or underlying manner, as it is quite lengthy.

It would not be appropriate for me to reproduce it here, though they appear to expect to receive my further response and submission which I will do so as I'm far from ignorant of the complexities involved. Indeed I see no complexity whatsoever.

I'll stay in touch.

GomerPyle

I can't go into specifics or detail and I'm not being coy or a tease but my submission has been passed to the relevant department within the FSA and I have since made two further submissions including more information and confirming my knowledge, background and expertise.

There is no margin for laxity in the application of current legislation and I would wish to be able to confirm that the same applies to observance, for the benefit of everyone.

GomerPyle

There is a point of extreme and fundamental importance here and I don't apologise for being implaccable in my approach. As well as my submissions to the FSA, I am aware of the involvement of other bodies, and I will not stop there.

It is not enough for any body or organisation to obtain a consumer's card details, by any means, and feel that this is enough to justify any card charge(s), and the system is not intended to operate this way.

If it is, then let's call a halt to any thought of doing away with payment by cheque and let's remain a backward nation as befits a country unable to regulate its payments systems.

I'm shocked at some of the misinformed ignorant gobbledegook given as excuses to consumers as to why thoroughly justified claims aren't going to be met. I have the benefit of knowedge derived from a banking career to enable me to pursue any claim I have beyond this 'lazy inertia' but the system should not reserve proper functioning for ex-bankers.

I can't guide every consumer with a justified claim through the FOS, but I'll make a good attempt if that's what it takes to make this rickety system work properly.

If I don't comment for a while, it doesn't mean things aren't moving along.

GomerPyle

I've made a significant breakthrough, which of course I can't detail in any fashion, but where my research is leading is quite fascinating.

I haven't been able to write it up, but will be doing so in the next few days.

ellersb

I've just been had by these swizzing !!!!!!. South East Gazette to the tune of £180. Paid on debit card, which I've now cancelled so the 'last three digits on the back' are different so hopefully they can't reuse my card.
I've reported to TS for the good it'll do me.
I can't believe I fell for it, I'm so gutted.