holiday!

paddedjohn

16.8 days which can be rounded up to 17 but not down.

wrightk

thanks very much!

ohreally

SarEl wrote: »

Because that entitles you to 28 days per year (the legal minimum) including bank holidays (if given)

This only applies where the standard working week is 5 days.

SarEl

ohreally wrote: »

This only applies where the standard working week is 5 days.

No - the statutory leave entitlement is capped at 28 days for full-time workers. It does not matter whether you work six days a week or different shift patterns - if you are a full time worker your entitlement is 28 paid days holiday unless your contract is more generous than that.

SarEl

paddedjohn wrote: »

the op is entitled to a minimum of 5.6 weeks leave per year, 2on 2off averages at 3.5 12hr days per week, 5.6 x 3.5 = 19.6 days, im on a similar shift pattern to this. it doesnt matter when the year starts or ends as long as the employee has these days within that year.

Are you saying that you work full-time hours - regardless of the shift pattern because 3.5 12 hour shifts is a full working week, and only get 19 days holiday? I admit I don't deal with holiday entitlements like this because union reps would sort it out, but this seems to be perverse. Anyone else working 40 hours a week would be a full-time worker!

liney

SarEl wrote: »

No - the statutory leave entitlement is capped at 28 days for full-time workers. It does not matter whether you work six days a week or different shift patterns - if you are a full time worker your entitlement is 28 paid days holiday unless your contract is more generous than that.

Shift workers are treated much the same as part time workers, in that they accrue x5.6 of their own working week.

Shift workers
If you are a shift worker your leave is calculated by using an average of your shifts over a 12 week period.
For example, if you always work four 12 hour shifts, followed by four days off (the ‘continental’ shift pattern) then the average working week is three-and-a-half 12 hour shifts. You would be entitled to 19.6 shifts of 12 hours as annual leave a year:
5.6 weeks x 3.5 shifts = 19.6 12 hour shifts
For other shift patterns, it may be easiest to calculate according to the established pattern of repeat

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10034642

SarEl

Ah, thank you. That now makes perfect sense to me. It isn't that they get less holidays per se, but that they get more "paid time off" between shifts (since wages are paid for a week and include the non-working days). So effectively they still get the 28 days but a part of this falls with the "non-working bit" of the shift pattern. I just couldn't see how someone gets less than statutory minimum for working such long hours, and wondered how this had got past me. As I said - maths isn't my strong point!

wrightk

thanks all. 16.8 is better than nothing i suppose! and considering i do at least 168 hours a month including on average between 8 and ten sleep shifts per month (which aren't actually sleeps really their more like wakers) then it will be gladly taken!

ohreally

SarEl wrote: »

No

Yes.

The stat min is based on a working week of 5 days. Workers who do more or less than 5 days get a pro rated increase or reduction, unless the concept is lost on the employer, in which case you have won a watch.

getmore4less

SarEl wrote: »

Ah, thank you. That now makes perfect sense to me. It isn't that they get less holidays per se, but that they get more "paid time off" between shifts (since wages are paid for a week and include the non-working days). So effectively they still get the 28 days but a part of this falls with the "non-working bit" of the shift pattern. I just couldn't see how someone gets less than statutory minimum for working such long hours, and wondered how this had got past me. As I said - maths isn't my strong point!

Statutory holidays is defined in weeks and that translates into different number of paid days upto a stautory maximum of 28. the reason days/hours get used is it is easier to calculate part weeks.

Problem is statutory holidays only works fairly for those that work 5 or less days and those that can acrue based on hours.

The people that can lose out are those that work more than 5 day weeks.

eg: if they do 6*7h shifts they only get 5*7hr pay for the week off.

For non standard working patterns it is important to check how holidays acrue and get allocated to time off carefullly not all employers get this right.