Need help

Darlyd

Molly (our 10 yr old staff) is just not accepting Aplhy (our 8 week old puppy).

Advice we heard was to let them play, let Molly have a go at Aplhy if needed. (when he got to much)

BUT

Hubby was in garden dealing with the pond, I was at work, Aplhy was playing around the swing one side of the garden, and Molly was the other side of the garden, she run over to him and pinned him down no reason at all. Hubby had to put Molly inside the house.

Can't keep Alphy in his cage for ever, night time for now till he is potty trained is ok, But not for ever. And it's not fair closing the stair gate (on the kitchen) during the day, keeping Alphy out in the kitchen all the time.

Molly is never going to accept him, I know her better than anyone else. She goes for every dog that is smaller than her during walks, hence having to keep her on a lead, and when taking her vets she is muzzled. Any dog that is bigger than her, she does not batter an eye lid. Her and Sam were best friends, they had their fights don't get me wrong, but they kissed and made up, and even shared a bed, we could even leave them alone together.

what an earth do we do?

ClootiesMum

Persevere - you are the leader of the pack & you can bring in who you like

Diego wouldn't be in the same room as Tora for over a month.......they now play together fine

Fire_Fox

How were initial introductions conducted? Why did you get a puppy if you knew Molly does not like small dogs? What do you mean by pinned him down and why did your husband intervene? If your husband was engaged elsewhere he is likely to have missed the canine body language that went between the two dogs before the pinning down. Have you started clicker or other forms of positive training yet?

"Maternal Discipline
In addition to learning games played with litter mates, the puppies are also
disciplined by their mother when they overstep the mark. The !!!!! will first of
all freeze, and give a warning growl to the offending puppy, accompanied by
piercing eye contact. If this is ignored, a full throated snarl follows, and the
b1tch will pin the pup down with wide open jaws, or hold him round the nose
with her teeth. The pup will respond by rolling over submissively and
whimpering or crying, at which point the !!!!! withdraws and ignores the
puppy altogether. Very soon, all the !!!!! needs to do is to growl and stare at
the puppy to stop the unwanted action in its tracks."
http://www.avonvets.co.uk/leaflets/Puppy%20biting%20and%20mouthing.pdf

Darlyd

Fire_Fox wrote: »

How were initial introductions conducted? Why did you get a puppy if you knew Molly does not like small dogs? What do you mean by pinned him down and why did your husband intervene? If your husband was engaged elsewhere he is likely to have missed the canine body language that went between the two dogs before the pinning down. Have you started clicker or other forms of positive training yet?

"Maternal Discipline
In addition to learning games played with litter mates, the puppies are also
disciplined by their mother when they overstep the mark. The !!!!! will first of
all freeze, and give a warning growl to the offending puppy, accompanied by
piercing eye contact. If this is ignored, a full throated snarl follows, and the
b1tch will pin the pup down with wide open jaws, or hold him round the nose
with her teeth. The pup will respond by rolling over submissively and
whimpering or crying, at which point the !!!!! withdraws and ignores the
puppy altogether. Very soon, all the !!!!! needs to do is to growl and stare at
the puppy to stop the unwanted action in its tracks."
http://www.avonvets.co.uk/leaflets/Puppy%20biting%20and%20mouthing.pdf

Oh hun, I had no choice for the puppy, DH lost his best friend 4 weeks ago, he wanted a puppy from start, I wanted a rescue dog, one that had been trained already, one who was big enough to handle himself. BUT DH thinks of himself. (If you get me).

DH was watching Alphy, He was playing around the swing, next thing Molly went running up to him and pinned him down on the floor, Aplhy was crying, and froze. DH said it was horrible, never seen anything like it before.

That above Quote seems about right. My aunty told me this (she used to breed staffs) She also told me to muzzle her for now, she has to learn but for us to intervene when Alphy starts nipping her. As she can not do anything, and she also said, Molly will remember and have him back.

Last night I was sat on the sofa with Molly, Alphy was playing on the floor, he kept coming over, and Molly was growling, I had to hold her whilst DH brought Alphy back into the kitchen.

I just wish in a way DH never brought him home, poor defenceless baby, We all love him to bits, and would never get rid of him nor Molly (over my dead body).. BUT we need to do something.

jetta_wales

You're still freaking out over natural behaviour that needs to be allowed to happen unless you want to see your pup in the dogs home or something. You're only making things worse at the moment, let her do her thing and put him in his place and let him learn from her where his boundaries are so he can stop p1ssing her off.

jetta_wales

To be honest every post from you about him has just felt like a countdown till you give him up.

I don't mean that in a nasty way just it's been sounding inevitable from your posts and the way you talk about him.

Darlyd

jetta_wales wrote: »

You're still freaking out over natural behaviour that needs to be allowed to happen unless you want to see your pup in the dogs home or something. You're only making things worse at the moment, let her do her thing and put him in his place and let him learn from her where his boundaries are so he can stop p1ssing her off.

Please read above post. He did not do nothing, was no where near her, she just ran over to him and pinned him down, no reason what so ever.

And last night in the living room, (not the only time), as soon as he comes in to the living room, she starts growling and goes for him. It's not fair.. She should not be doing this, My aunty is an ex breeder and told me what to look out for, and Molly is doing exactly what she should not be doing. BUT the advice my Aunty gave me about muzzling her seems unfair. Am hoping for more tactics..

Darlyd

jetta_wales wrote: »

To be honest every post from you about him has just felt like a countdown till you give him up.

That's YOUR opinion. If you have nothing nice to say please don't reply.

I am desperate for help with them, They are well loved, and there is no way we will get rid of any of them, I do not believe in that. (I do regret DH getting him, but I had no control).

Just need help.

Not to be judged.

jetta_wales

darlyd wrote: »

That's YOUR opinion. If you have nothing nice to say please don't reply.

I am desperate for help with them, They are well loved, and there is no way we will get rid of any of them, I do not believe in that. (I do regret DH getting him, but I had no control).

Just need help.

Not to be judged.

That's correct it is my opinion and I just feel sorry for the pup at the moment.

suki1964

You have either got to let them sort themselves out - or you are gonna have to rehome one - its that simple

You cant say that your dog wont ever accept a another dog - and then go on to say rehoming isnt gonna happen because if Molly and the new pup cant find their bounderies then you are going to have to or one dog is going to get seriously hurt..

I would think that your husband rushed into this and didnt think about the exsisting dog. Id love another dog but my lad can not toerate other dogs and the stress it would cause him and myself just isnt worth it

viktory

jetta_wales wrote: »

To be honest every post from you about him has just felt like a countdown till you give him up.

I don't mean that in a nasty way just it's been sounding inevitable from your posts and the way you talk about him.

Got to agree with this. I also feel that you are consistently ignoring really good, solid advice and are busily going your own way - to the detriment of your pup. If you keep interfering they will never learn to live together. I cannot believe you are considering muzzling your older dog - what an earth has she done to deserve that? Really, you should have introduced the pup and your older dog over a period of time - not just plonked them together.