is company trying to force me out of work?

bluenoseam

Firstly, your posts are a mess! Secondly, you live in Ayrshire, that's YOUR decision to make, you live in one of the notoriously backwater parts thereof, Ayrshire for all it's worst points (and frankly i see only 2 good points about the place) has only two options in terms of viability of public transport to Glasgow which is dependable. The first is living in Kilmarnock, whereby there's a regular train service (an hourly service if my memory is correct) or buses - both milk variety & direct. The second is to live on the Ayrshire line (Prestwick, Ayr, Troon, Kiwinning, Irvine) where there are trains every 15 minutes during peak morning times unlike your current situation which is not as easy. Neither of these ideas i'm guessing are viable for you - but if they are i'm pointing them out, you know, just as a guideline.

SarEl is probably spot on, you went too hot headed and formal straight away, that's made you look like you were trying to stir things with your "boss", who now no doubt coupled with your whinging about not being able to get from Ardrossan to work sites, thinks you're the biggest pain in his backside going, i'm not saying you deliberately set out to make this situation, but it's the side effect of being too hasty. The van by the sounds of it is required to work - has it 100% been removed from your use for work purposes or is it parked up in a depot at night in a constant location? This however is unimportant, it's YOUR responsibility to get yourself to your place of work on a day to day basis, if that means you get yourself to a depot then you get yourself to a depot, but not until you read the next point.

STOP TALKING SO MUCH RUBBISH ABOUT YOUR TRAVEL COSTS. You're quoting figures out your backside for that one, or more appropriately you're quoting show up prices, i.e. the price you pay for the ticket when you show up out of the blue, you aren't that traveler, you are now a regular on the bus & train network, meaning your travel costs will DRAMATICALLY decrease due to the ability to buy a weekly ticket which will cover all buses & all trains within the Strathclyde Passenger Transport catchment area, for all zones (that will cover you from Ardrossan to anywhere deemed Greater Glasgow & a fair distance beyond) is £59.40 per week. Not entirely unreasonable cost to get to and from work and with the fringe benefit that it will cover you should you want to take the bus/train during days off & the weekend too.

If you do wish to be a thorn in their paw, bear in mind that your late coming WILL be held against you and (i'm sure SarEl will correct me if this is incorrect) they WILL sack you, don't expect a reference from them (judging by your posts, you've wound them up so much they wont give you one) and well, judging by the fact you say you're low paid will be replaced with the sort of ease it takes to change a lightbulb.

hcb42

Wow, bit harsh on Ayrshire ......what do you expect everyone to do - vacate it and live in cities and cause overcrowding..! I lived there for 13 years, had 2 beautiful houses, and took that train for part of the time, the 70 minute commute down to Ayr is worth it to escape the big smoke. Kilmarnock is one of the worst places to live, although it has developed a lot with faceless private schemes as it is an easy drive to Glasgow now with the "new" road

Ardrossan is on the train line too. splits off after Kilwinning and it is reasonably regular.. in fact I think train to Kilwinning are every 15 minutes because both the Ayr line and Ardrossan lines stop there..as could OP in fact if they drove to Kilwinning, which isn't that far for them (less than five miles, which is five minutes on Ayrshire roads..).

anamenottaken

marywooyeah wrote: »

The right to a private life comes from Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, not the Human Rights Act. The HRA allows individuals to enforce their convention rights in domestic courts - it's a common misconception that the Human Rights come from the Human Rights Act.

OP - I wouldn't advise you to go down the Human Rights route at all

And the Human Rights Act enshrined, inter alia, Article 8 of the ECHR and allows for cases to be brought direct to UK courts. Is it a common misconception that it is entirely separate?

Personally I'm guessing the OP was thinking about data protection.

bluenoseam

hcb42 wrote: »

Wow, bit harsh on Ayrshire ......what do you expect everyone to do - vacate it and live in cities and cause overcrowding..! I lived there for 13 years, had 2 beautiful houses, and took that train for part of the time, the 70 minute commute down to Ayr is worth it to escape the big smoke. Kilmarnock is one of the worst places to live, although it has developed a lot with faceless private schemes as it is an easy drive to Glasgow now with the "new" road

Ardrossan is on the train line too. splits off after Kilwinning and it is reasonably regular.. in fact I think train to Kilwinning are every 15 minutes because both the Ayr line and Ardrossan lines stop there..as could OP in fact if they drove to Kilwinning, which isn't that far for them (less than five miles, which is five minutes on Ayrshire roads..).

Ardrossan is on the train line, but is prone to cancelation moreso than the main Ayrshire line (which in it's own right has more than enough cancelations). As for "harsh" on Ayrshire, nah, it's not harsh enough, i've been here for 17 years and honestly, will do a merry dance the day i move out of Deliverance Country never to return. (spoken like a true Lanarkshire kid indeed!)

smc1969

i was reading up bus and train fares,and i do see that about zonecard£59.40 all regions in strathclyde,so i do apoligise about that,but getting public transport as i said is impossible to arrive there on time aka two buses which first one to leave ardrossan 655 gets you in buchanan st 810-20 then walk to argyle street to get number 41 to springboig which makes me well late.first train leaving is 633 arriving central,722 that gives me 8 minutes to walk up to queen street to catch shettleston train then its another 10-15 mins walk to job,still making me late.then that gives them right to dismiss me on timekeeping does it not?now there also sending me futher afield.to wishaw, which is impossible to get there in time,leaving me with no option but use car which the price of fuel these days make it to costly,with a low income too doesnt help.

SarEl

I do appreciate your position, but we are going around in circles until you tell us whether your terms and conditions specify a work base - and even if they do, it is still your job to get there and back. I do understand that running a car is expensive - but I think your employers point is that running their van is also expensive! It is your responsibility to get yourself to and from work at your own expense - the only real question here is where that workplace is. So you need to find that out. And if the cost of going to and from work is still too high then you have two choices - find a job nearer to home, or a home nearer to work. You really do have to realise that your employers don't have a responsibility to get their employees to work and back home. So expecting them to isn't going to get you anywhere. You have to be prepared to compromise somewhere.

smc1969

sorry,there work place is thornliebank,glasgow.what they used to say when they started taking extra money of us for use of van was that if we werent happy to pay the extra,we would have to drive to office pick up van there and drop off there at night,and make our own way up to office and back.(at least its closer and cheaper than running to wishaw every day)which i wouldnt mind as local bus goes there from irvine via barrhead. but that was over 5yrs ago so i dont think theyll go for that option,but i will put it forward to them.to do it that way. and i am sorry it was advisor not lawyer that gave me advice from c a b.

Hammyman

So your base for work is the office in Thornliebank?

OK, forget all the nonsense about what trains and buses go where and when and for how much.

Lets start at the beginning. Answer these questions and do not start banging on about anything else.

1) Is your base the office in Thornliebank?

2) When you started the day, did you drive from your home to the office/workshop/stores, get given your jobs for the day and then travel from there to the job or were you given the following days jobs the day before and then did you travel directly from your house to the first job in the morning?

3) For the time you've been working there, did you go directly to your first job from your house the most or to your employers premises first, whether that be an office, workshop or stores?

SarEl

Yes, Hammyman is correct. Answer those questions - and one more. Do you actually have your terms and conditions yet and what do they say about your work base (not theirs). If not - we also need to know this.

smc1969

1) is yes
2) is no,directly went to worksite in morning
3)yes, job sites mostly.hardly ever to office only when picking up things like tools,machinery etc
i am still waiting for contract to be given to me.as i only asked wednesday 15th june,no one has come forward or posted it to me yet.