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UK economic recovery on the verge of collapse

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  • adyj73 wrote: »
    Very narrow view there pdrdef - so Spectrum didn't sell millions of Spectrum 48k's etc? Rolls Royce don't have engines in 1000's of aircraft? BAE don't sell millions of pounds worth of weaponry globally? we have one of the strongest life science sectors in th world....yet you pick out a Delorean and a pocket TV for your argument......

    Well done!

    When writing your comment were you aware/can remember that Rolls Royce is actually once of the most sucessful HMG rescue jobs ever.
    Rolls Royce went bust/bankrupt in 1971 weighed down principally by the development costs of the RB211 engine series. HMG promptly nationalised it as it was viewed Rolls as being of critical national importance and a few decades later re-privatised it.

    Thats the good news......
    Recently Rolls have been making noises about moving more stuff overseas and anyway already have facilities doing both design and testing work out in the far East and India respectively. Their manufacturing side is very energy intensive and the rising cost of power which for industrial users has been far higher than for domestic users must be making it increasingly uncompetitive to continue in the UK
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    adyj73 wrote: »
    Very narrow view there pdrdef
    Just commenting on the difficulty of picking the science and technology that will actually make money.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    Recently Rolls have been making noises about moving more stuff overseas
    That's the other problem. We need something that's anchored in the UK. Something that uses the UK's resources or talents. Hmm.

    It's easier to generate GDP by supplying local customers with stuff they don't need, but of less real value.

    Heritage and language are about all we've got. Perhaps we should be flogging them a lot harder. Maybe the Bombardier factory should become a train-building museum.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    Nothing new here, but I like the way they put it. It's just burden-sharing. We're all in this together folks. Choose your poison.

    Quote: "Any plausible resolution to the current financial crisis must involve burden-sharing on a scale not seen since the 1930s. Unemployment, defaults, inflation, currency crises, stock market collapses, austerity: all these are consistent with the new, lower, level of economic activity"

    http://www.citywire.co.uk/money/chart-of-the-day-uk-economy-more-and-more-sickly/a518386
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • worldtraveller
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    pqrdef wrote: »
    Nothing new here, but I like the way they put it. It's just burden-sharing. We're all in this together folks. Choose your poison.

    Quote: "Any plausible resolution to the current financial crisis must involve burden-sharing on a scale not seen since the 1930s. Unemployment, defaults, inflation, currency crises, stock market collapses, austerity: all these are consistent with the new, lower, level of economic activity"

    http://www.citywire.co.uk/money/chart-of-the-day-uk-economy-more-and-more-sickly/a518386

    "....Or maybe we should just stop paying attention to economists’ forecasts."

    That's much more like it! ;)
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  • tod123 wrote: »
    There is a quick fix for the south, get rid of the north!

    So we keep the south where all those useful, productive bankers are based and lose the north where all that useless manufacturing is based.

    Great idea, lets concentrate on banking to get us out of this mess !
  • Jennifer_Jane
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    pqrdef wrote: »
    Ah yes, The white heat of the technological revolution. Which brought us the National Enterprise Board, the DeLorean car and the Sinclair pocket television.

    And Concorde. Total sale: 14.

    Oh - sardonic lol. Yes, agree, but don't forget the lovely little ARM microprocessor, that I've been invested in since the dot. com bubble! And Autonomy, just been sold to HP. And, er..... OK those two.
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