Public Sector Workers

michelle1506

By the way, I ALSO pay for my salary, as I too am a tax payer!! So who the HELL do you think you are?? You are no one special!!

bendix wrote: »

We pay your salary. You are public servants. You work for us. Ergo, we can contribute.

Are we not entitled to express a view? What gives you the right to say we can or cannot post our thoughts?

As a public sector worker, perhaps it's some kind of union directive.

(does anyone have an image of a wind-up doll?)

Hammyman

michelle1506 wrote: »

No you are not entitled to express a view!

Tough. Public forum and as we pay your wages, yes we are entitled to express the fact we're sick to the high hilt of public sector workers wasting our money.

Hammyman

patchwork_cat wrote: »

I have just drafted 2 rebuttals, but thought, no public sector has been the scape goat for too long and those private sector employees on lots of money can't see what is in front of their face that all public sector can - that the country relies on public sector for so much and that the people who are going to be criticised when the infrastructure fails are the public sector employees .

The TUC knows the pain http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13623577

Way to go to shoot yourself in the foot.

For those not interested in the links, its complaining about public sector pay deals being at zero whilst the median private sector was at 3%, completely ignoring the fact that for a lot of the private sector, PAY CUTS were the norm for the last 3 years AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ITS BEEN AT ZERO FOR THE PUBLIC SECTOR SINCE THE 1960's.. How many times in the private sector have wages gone into reverse in actual "you were getting £200 last week, next week you're getting £150" terms and not the whiney "we've not got the cost of living rise" fantasy wage cut of the public sector ? Certainly in the recessions of the 70's, 80's, 90's and the last 3 years.

Hammyman

michelle1506 wrote: »

By the way, I ALSO pay for my salary, as I too am a tax payer!! So who the HELL do you think you are?? You are no one special!!

HAHA...typical public sector logic, completely ignorant of where the money comes from just as long as it keeps on flowing....

You pay for your salary with money you've been paid. Where does that money come from? TAXATION. Therefore you actually haven't paid for your salary out of your money, you've paid for your salary out of OUR money which you were paid a wage from. Until you pay taxes from money you have earned totally and wholly outside of the civil service public sector, you have not "paid for your salary because you are a tax payer".

This thread needs moving to the Discussion Time board because, quite frankly most people in the private sector don't care that the public sector is now starting to face the same choice the rest of the country has for the last 3 years and think its good that the public sector which has benefitted from annual wage increases for the last HALF CENTURY WITHOUT FAIL are now starting to have to work for their money and face outsourcing etc and all the rest of the pain the private sector has suffered recently.

Triker

I think us all fighting amongst each other isn't productive. Basically too many workers both public sector and private are getting shafted by their employers.

We all work hard (I presume), we all contribute to the economy, we all have to manage our lives, health, families etc within these committments.


Too many of us are being held to ransom by being commited, hard working employees with the sense these days that we all should be grateful to have a job!

It does appear that the work/life balance is very out of kilter for many of us...do you work to live...or live to work?:think::D

eamon

Oh no! I agree with Hammyman. This discussion/slanging match should be moved. But if the private sector is so fabulous what is it with the banking crisis and should we mention the salary gap between FTSE 100 company directors and the average employee? At least in the public sector that is rarely the case.

SarEl

bendix wrote: »

We pay your salary. You are public servants.

Ermm - and who pays for your salary in the private sector? Ah yes, - that comes out of the company income. And where does that come from? Customers? None of which are the public or even - god forbid - public sector workers?

But that's ok because they only get paid that money by customers if they are competant, don't they. So I didn't just spend several weeks locked in a battle with Carphone Warehouse over my statutory rights as a customer when the new Android phone that cost a lot of money died on the 29th day and the refused to acknowledge my rights as a customer under the law. Yes, thank you, I did win - but I bet most people would have given up at the wall of stupidity, policies (which had no bearing in law) and general incompetance - if they had known their rights in the first place.

And we don't regularly hear from private sector care workers about the appalling conditions in which they work on this board, and the vagaries of their private sector employers?

And all those other boards around here - the ones complaining about banks, utilities companies, transport companies, etc., etc., etc., - none of those companies are private sector?

The only thing I see here is that some people, whatever sector they work in, are more prepared to have a go at other workers, the majority of whom work hard for little recompense and value, because that is so much easier than blaming and tackling the real problem.

There are always "examples" that one can drag up. The public secor chief executive who gets paid "too much" (whatever that means) or the bank executive with his £2million bonus for ruining the bank! There are lazy workers in the public sector yes - and judging by the service I get in some places or some companies (which I do not return to) there are lazy and incompetant workers in the private sector too. Anyone who thinks that every private sector worker (or manager) is competant or fairly renumerated is as foolish and those who think that every public sector worker has a cushy job and is paid too much.

Oh, and for those who like statistics - because statistics never lie, do they? - the public sector accounts for between 25 and 55% of the spend in private sector companies (depending on the area) through direct spend on supplies and indirect spend made by employees (from those "overpaid" salaries), and public spending cuts are widely anticipated to have a devastating impact on local and national economies, sending us back into (if we ever got out of it) a recessionary cycle deeper than the last one - reports from universities in Birmingham, Leeds, Oxford and Bristol.

But what the hell - it is so much easier to beat each other up on here, where it really matters. Oh, but it doesn't, does it?

LittleMissAspie

SarEl wrote: »

So I didn't just spend several weeks locked in a battle with Carphone Warehouse over my statutory rights as a customer when the new Android phone that cost a lot of money died on the 29th day and the refused to acknowledge my rights as a customer under the law.

Almost exactly what I was going to say. There are incompetent people everywhere, anyone who thinks private sector workers are all 100% hard working and perfect has obviously never tried to get a refund from Orange.

Hammyman

LittleMissAspie wrote: »

Almost exactly what I was going to say. There are incompetent people everywhere, anyone who thinks private sector workers are all 100% hard working and perfect has obviously never tried to get a refund from Orange.

But they're not being incompetent - they are following their company procedure just the same as the Housing Benefit officers who don't pay out interim payments automatically as they're required to after 14 days when a new claim is being made. In fact, the rule in councils HB and CTB offices is to do absolutely everything to obstruct claimants claims to the point it cost my brother his post as manager because he made the silly mistake of telling the customers their rights, telling them what they needed to say to those who were refusing the payments and phoning up those in said department to tell them they HAD to make a payment under the rules.

SarEl

Hammyman wrote: »

But they're not being incompetent - they are following their company procedure just the same as the Housing Benefit officers who don't pay out interim payments automatically as they're required to after 14 days when a new claim is being made.

Not with me they don't! And I get slammed by employees on here from time to time for saying it - you are responsible for knowing your own rights. The boss isn't respomsible for telling you what they are - and neither is the person who sells you something. If you don' t know what your rights are - then more fool you. It isn't hard these days to find out. But you fell in the trap again - I didn't say one sector was better than another. I simplt said they exist. There are housing offi9cers who do pay out and others who may not. So what? This is still about the kettle calling the pot...