We want to employ an Apprentice

MX5huggy

Help,

As a company we want to employ 2 18 year olds who will go to college 1 day a week to complete a specific HND.

We seem unable to get them on any sort of scheme where we would not have to pay them NMW including paying them for the day in college as it will be a requirement of there employment that they attend and pass the course.

We are in Wales and the course is in Wales.

relic

If you want to do a specific HND course, then no, you can't get away with paying them less than NMW.

But surely, if you wanted employee's to do something so specific, then you would be more than willing to pay them NMW as they would be a long term investment?

MX5huggy

We are willing to invest it will be probably 7 years before they would be able to do the job. When they start they will not be able to do anything.

If we wanted to train them in plumbing for example then we would not have to pay NMW for the 1st year at least. But becasue we want to train them in a higher qualification we are penalised.

relic

MX5huggy wrote: »

We are willing to invest it will be probably 7 years before they would be able to do the job. When they start they will not be able to do anything.

If we wanted to train them in plumbing for example then we would not have to pay NMW for the 1st year at least. But becasue we want to train them in a higher qualification we are penalised.

You aren't penalised at all. You are just paying for the costs of the qualification. Whereas level 2 qualifications are heavily subsidised.

Hammyman

relic wrote: »

If you want to do a specific HND course, then no, you can't get away with paying them less than NMW.

But surely, if you wanted employee's to do something so specific, then you would be more than willing to pay them NMW as they would be a long term investment?

Actually as apprentices under 19 years old, the rate of pay is LESS than th £4.92 per hour of a normal worker aged 18-20 and the £3.64 rate of 16-17 year olds.

The National Minimum Wage rate for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship is £2.50 an hour.

relic

Hammyman wrote: »

Actually as apprentices under 19 years old, the rate of pay is LESS than th £4.92 per hour of a normal worker aged 18-20 and the £3.64 rate of 16-17 year olds.

The National Minimum Wage rate for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship is £2.50 an hour.

This is a topic about apprentices, so therefore, we would presume we are talking about employing an apprentice, at their age, on their NMW.

saintjammyswine

The rules may be different in Wales, best to check apprenticeships dot org for info.

hellokitty08

Im in England so I can only give you an example of how it works here,

If you want to employe an Apprentice, they must be registered on an actual Apprenticeship programme, otherwise they would just be a trainee.

Apprenticeship training is for people in paid employment.

You can get apprenticeships to level 4 qualifications, but it would be really difficult to start someone on a level 4 qual without lots of prior expereince (in my expereince)

If you just want them to undertake HND training this would not be necessarily classed as an Apprenticeship, unless it came under a level 4 framework.

If you dont want to employee them, you dont want an Apprentice.

You could sponsor the students, not sure how this would work in Wales, but we have companies who pay students to go to college full time for various qualifications, and then during half term they are expected to go in to work.

Please contact 0845 60 661 60 for more info

MX5huggy

hellokitty08 wrote: »

Im in England so I can only give you an example of how it works here,

Thank you

If you want to employe an Apprentice, they must be registered on an actual Apprenticeship programme, otherwise they would just be a trainee.

We have worked this out.

Apprenticeship training is for people in paid employment.

They will be it just a matter of what we have to pay

You can get apprenticeships to level 4 qualifications, but it would be really difficult to start someone on a level 4 qual without lots of prior expereince (in my expereince)

A or B at Alevel maths seems to count for nothing someone (we have been ringing lots of different quangos to try to work this out) said they would have to do their key skills maths.

If you just want them to undertake HND training this would not be necessarily classed as an Apprenticeship, unless it came under a level 4 framework.

If you dont want to employee them, you dont want an Apprentice.

We want to employ them as Apprentices but it seems that we can't because we want them to do too higher qualification.

You could sponsor the students, not sure how this would work in Wales, but we have companies who pay students to go to college full time for various qualifications, and then during half term they are expected to go in to work.

The course is only 1 long day a week normally the people on the course are time served experienced practitioners that need the qualification to move on to a degree and chartership that do it as day release. But we want to take some fresh young minds and shape them for what could be a very rewarding career.

Please contact 0845 60 661 60 for more info

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Basically everyone is confirming we have not missed a trick we will have to pay full NMW possibliy including their time in college.

Vincent_Buenisedes

If they work for you, pay them a wage.

saintjammyswine

MX5huggy wrote: »

Thank you

We have worked this out.

They will be it just a matter of what we have to pay

A or B at Alevel maths seems to count for nothing someone (we have been ringing lots of different quangos to try to work this out) said they would have to do their key skills maths.

If they can provide evidence of required level of Literacy & Numeracy (Maths & English) within the last 5 yrs such as a GCSE certificate then there is no requirement to do these. Without evidence, all apprentices are required to do it regardless of other qualifications.


We want to employ them as Apprentices but it seems that we can't because we want them to do too higher qualification.

They can be an apprentice up to Level 4 but the format is:
Apprentice (L2 - eg NVQ2)
Advanced Apprentice (L3 - eg NVQ3)
Higher Apprentice (L4 - eg HND/NVQ4)

Depending on prior skills & quals they may be able to skip the earlier steps but to get a good grounding it is advisable to follow the frameworks. If you are looking at 7 years then it is likely that the apprentice will start at Level 2 the progress onwards (& upwards).

The course is only 1 long day a week normally the people on the course are time served experienced practitioners that need the qualification to move on to a degree and chartership that do it as day release. But we want to take some fresh young minds and shape them for what could be a very rewarding career.

Sounds like you are a forward thinking employer let down by bad (or indifferent) advice & information. 1 day per week is typical for an apprenticeship depending on the industry, this time is part of the 30hrs minimum per week they have to employed and paid for.

Who is this number for?

Can't help, sorry.

Basically everyone is confirming we have not missed a trick we will have to pay full NMW possibliy including their time in college

The info in the previous post about minimum wages is correct.

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Hope this was helpful.