P11D advice - Being Screwed over

jimmo

You can't post links and I don't do PMs (my choice)so let's try a different approach. At the present time it impossible to judge whether your employer has completed the form correctly or incorrectly and so it is not possible to give you definite guidance on what you should do next.
Here is a link to a blank form P11d.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/forms/p11d.pdf
Hopefully that form is similar to the one your employer has given you.
What we need to know is which boxes your employer has completed.
If your employer has completed section A please give the description and the figure put in box 13.
If your employer has completed section B please give the description and the figure put in box 15.
and so on.

d95gas

Fully understand about the PM's, etc.

Okay here is the information you requested:

Form is exactly the same as your link.

Employer has neither filled in A or B and no entries in either box 13 or 15

All that has been filled in by my employer is:

Section F: Car 1 to Car 5 and at the end of each car section they have entered an amount into "Cash Equivalent of each car"

At the end of Car 5 Section, Box 9 states: £897

Hope that helps

Graeme

jimmo wrote: »

You can't post links and I don't do PMs (my choice)so let's try a different approach. At the present time it impossible to judge whether your employer has completed the form correctly or incorrectly and so it is not possible to give you definite guidance on what you should do next.
Here is a link to a blank form P11d.
(link removed due to restrictions on my account)
Hopefully that form is similar to the one your employer has given you.
What we need to know is which boxes your employer has completed.
If your employer has completed section A please give the description and the figure put in box 13.
If your employer has completed section B please give the description and the figure put in box 15.
and so on.

jimmo

It looks like someone in your employer's office has wasted an awful lot of their time working out the car benefits on 5 different cars.
That, itself may cause you a problem trying to persuade them that they are wrong but, believe me it will be a lot easier for you to that than the red tape quagmire if they submit an incorrect P11d.
You may find this useful.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/paye/exb/a-z/c/cars.htm
You will see from that, that HMRC say under What to report that provided private use is prohibited the employer has nothing to report.
Unfortunately, if private use is allowed then the fact that you did not use a hire car for private purposes cuts no ice. If it available the P11d,as it stands will be strictly correct.
This link is to booklet 480 which employers are required to refer to but it does say the same thing.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/guidance/480_chapter11.pdf
You might also take a look at this, the HMRC staff manual.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM23400.htm
The fact that the hire cars were delivered to and collected from your home really shouldn't cause you a problem. A journey from home to a temporary workplace is a business journey. However if your first journey on a Monday morning was from home to your employer's premises e.g to pick up supplies or you final journey on Friday was from your employer's premises to your home. Either of those would be normal commuting and private use and you would definitely be lumbered with the benefit charge.
When I was a taxman the tools of my trade were files and, in latter days, a laptop or palmtop computer. I would take those home the day before a business journey and take them back to work the day after the business journey ended. I never, ever drove a hire car between my home and the office.
I don't know how big your employer is but my former employer, HMRC, self insures for business travel. They then get hire cars cheaper than the norm because they do not require insurance cover through the hire company.
If I had used a hire car for private purposes I would have been driving without insurance.
My employer specifically prohibited private use of hire cars but if your employer has not specifically done so then I am afraid that if you can't persuade your employer to change the P11d you will really struggle to persuade HMRC that your employer was wrong.
As noodle said in post # 11 it is well worth pointing out to your employer that if they report a benefit in box 9 on the P11d they will have to pay employer's NI.