Surely its benefit fraud, and trouble is ahead?

real1314

mum2one wrote: »

I was told that if there was a partner involved, that they could stay upto 3/4 nights a week, that was by a fraud officer, as I had a "friend" who decided to do as much trouble as they could, even thou it was all untrue, I was single....... but again it would go by how much time is spent there, again as you mention the pattern, and whether simple things like where his clothes are, it does sound like that he his commiting fraud, but it would depend on how convincing they make the story, also whether he has any post going to the house, contrubutes to the bills etc.......

any phone calls made you don't leave a name........

Someone said this is "rough guidance" - it's not even that. It's completely wrong.

How often does a soldier posted to Iraq stay with his wife and kids each week?

seasonalbiz

mum2one wrote: »

I was told that if there was a partner involved, that they could stay upto 3/4 nights a week, that was by a fraud officer.......

I think he's taken this idea and reversed it... I've told him he's on thin ice... and he lives in a council flat too, so the neighbours will probably notice whats going on and grass him up.

Hammyman

seasonalbiz wrote: »

A friend of mine has told the benefits people he is not living with his missus so she can claim as a single mother. He is a bit hard up, but I've told him he's just setting himself up for trouble... but he's adamant he's got it worked out.

He reckons he can stay there 3 nights a week without any problems... and sleep at his mums the other 4 nights. My argument is, he still lives there and is literally leaving his house (or should I say his missus house!) at midnight to go and sleep at his mums place, getting up and going to work.

A friend of mine is a lorry driver and married. He leaves home on Monday and gets back Friday or Saturday and sometimes not at all. Even his missus cannot claim benefits as a single mother and he's there far far less than your friend is.

paddedjohn

OP What would you do if your friend came round your house and stole from you? You would see your ar*e! you should be seeing it now because he is thieving off you as i write.

stassy23

my friend did exactly the same and now been caught got away doing it for a long time but now shes paying back alot of money and more

WPN

seasonalbiz wrote: »

A friend of mine has told the benefits people he is not living with his missus so she can claim as a single mother. He is a bit hard up, but I've told him he's just setting himself up for trouble... but he's adamant he's got it worked out.

He reckons he can stay there 3 nights a week without any problems... and sleep at his mums the other 4 nights. My argument is, he still lives there and is literally leaving his house (or should I say his missus house!) at midnight to go and sleep at his mums place, getting up and going to work. He eats at his missus all the time, goes home for lunch and obviously is there after work till midnight, or sometimes 1 or 2 in the morning... before going to him mums and going straight to bed... so he's at his mums for like a maximum of 24hrs a week.

Surely this isn't right (aside from the moral implication). I've told him he's gonna get in trouble... but I've never had anything to do with benefits claims so perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about... but I just think its fair enough a single mother would be allowed to have their partner stay a couple of nights a week... but when your consistantly following the same pattern of ONLY sleeping at your mums place Mon/Tues/Wed/Thur... then spending the whole rest of the time (other than when your at work) at your missus house (including going there for your dinner).. then the benefits agency are going to see it as you do live there - and therefore are pulling a scam, and you'll end up paying it all back.

Do the right thing:

1) Place a bet with him that he will get caught (preferably a rather large wager)
2) Leave it a month or two, and if he hasn't changed his mind, give the benefit fraud helpline a call (dont forget to cash in!)

hehe

WPN

My understanding is there are two main ways of determining whether someone (for such purposes) is "living with" another:-

1) They spend the night (that is sleep; excluding a reasonable "nap" during the day under certain circumstances) regardless if its sharing a bed or sleeping on the sofa. I would estimate time scale of 6pm-6am but probably will stretch to any time although it will be less likely for a prosecution. Technically an irregular one night stand in their eyes would also be classified as "living with a partner" although its unlikely to yield much further action or prosecution. Alternatively, someone spending significant time at a property could be treated as the same - i.e. someone whom has breakfast, lunch and dinner together and stays late - could be treated as a "partner" even if he or she doesn't sleep over (especially if they feel it is not a normal arrangement but a crafty loophole in regards to evading the benefit fraud spying missions!! haha)

Many people whom have their kids father round for access, normally falls fail to this, although there is actually no wrong-doing. 2+2=5 etc.

2) Financial records. If someone is receiving regular payment for rent, up-keep etc. they will use this to determine persons living together.

mardatha

Curious here as to how the man could be charged with anything if he was working full time?

princessdreamer

Conspiracy to defraud the benefit system, my ex husband lives like this and in my opinion anyone doing it should be shopped.

mum2one

real1314 wrote: »

Someone said this is "rough guidance" - it's not even that. It's completely wrong.

How often does a soldier posted to Iraq stay with his wife and kids each week?

Whilst I appriciate that people are saying its rough guidance, it was the information I was given by a benefits fraud officer.