PIP criteria and descriptors

jetta_wales

Link as posted by another used in the benefits section.

http://www.disabilityalliance.org/f60.htm

Can't find any wording for anything that sounds like it would apply to sight loss, seems only geared towards those with mental difficulties or physical mobility problems (not even them that much tbh). Maybe somebody can offer a different interpretation?

dmg24

I think it would apply to sight loss as much as the current criteria does, to be honest the new criteria seems a little too unambiguous - too good to be true?

jetta_wales

dmg24 wrote: »

I think it would apply to sight loss as much as the current criteria does, to be honest the new criteria seems a little too unambiguous - too good to be true?

Most of it just says can you do it unaided or with continual prompting or can't do it at all.

Nothing for I can do the actions but need somebody around to borrow their sight periodically like telling if the meat is cooked or reading packaging to save me turning everything of washing my hands and getting out my handheld CCTV just to read something so I can continue, yadda yadda.

Or yes I can put my clothes on but need help to make sure I've got the right ones and don't look a state lol and can do my hair but can't check if I did it right or not.

They just seem very one extreme or the other and not relevant wording to many disabilities.

anguk

I read that and wondered about people who currently get middle rate DLA as there appears to only be a lower and higher PIP. My OH gets DLA middle rate care, does that mean it's likely that he'll drop to lower rate PIP?

Also what about carers? At the moment the person they're caring for needs to be in receipt of middle or higher rate DLA care, if claimants end up dropping from middle rate DLA to the lower rate PIP that would mean carers would lose their Carers Allowance wouldn't it?

It's such a worrying time for disabled people and their carers at the moment, not knowing what's happening with their benefits.

dmg24

jetta_wales wrote: »

Most of it just says can you do it unaided or with continual prompting or can't do it at all.

Nothing for I can do the actions but need somebody around to borrow their sight periodically like telling if the meat is cooked or reading packaging to save me turning everything of washing my hands and getting out my handheld CCTV just to read something so I can continue, yadda yadda.

Or yes I can put my clothes on but need help to make sure I've got the right ones and don't look a state lol and can do my hair but can't check if I did it right or not.

They just seem very one extreme or the other and not relevant wording to many disabilities.

I would say that comes under prompting, just in the way that with DLA prompting and watching over are largely grouped together.

anguk wrote: »

I read that and wondered about people who currently get middle rate DLA as there appears to only be a lower and higher PIP. My OH gets DLA middle rate care, does that mean it's likely that he'll drop to lower rate PIP?

Also what about carers? At the moment the person they're caring for needs to be in receipt of middle or higher rate DLA care, if claimants end up dropping from middle rate DLA to the lower rate PIP that would mean carers would lose their Carers Allowance wouldn't it?

It's such a worrying time for disabled people and their carers at the moment, not knowing what's happening with their benefits.

It really depends on your husband's condition - I currently receive MRC, but on the given criteria am more likely to move up than down.

I'm not sure what will happen to CA entitlement. I'm sure someone else will (if the govt have even decided yet!).

jetta_wales

prompt - remind or encourage and references to prompting are to prompting by another person.


That's their definition of prompting.

bertiebat

Some of the major changes seem to be in the changes in definitions.

A meal can now be a frozen prepared meal as I read it. So preparing meals can now mean removing the packaging and film I presume and cooking can include microwave. Lifting pots and pans possibly no longer taken into account.

Bathe means bath OR shower, so being able to get into/out of a bath would prove irrelevant.

The most confusing area seems to be the mobility and it could be that wheelchair users who are able to self propel over 50 meters will be in a different bracket to those below 50 meters. Very difficult to pin down what they actually mean. They would certainly need to review the wording in this whole area or give examples of what they mean.

Falls seems to have been removed.

I suspect that anguk may be right about the carer component only applying to the higher rate, but one would hope that someone that really relies on a carer would be placed in that bracket.

DX2

dmg24 wrote: »

It really depends on your husband's condition - I currently receive MRC, but on the given criteria am more likely to move up than down.

I'm not sure what will happen to CA entitlement. I'm sure someone else will (if the govt have even decided yet!).

I'm guessing the low rate will disappear and the middle rate DLA at this moment in time will become the new low rate for PIP. There hasn't been any rumblings re CA which makes me assume the above. I would expect to hear rumblings if they were to change things re CA in exactly the same way we are hearing about all the other changes.

bertiebat

dmg24 wrote: »

I would say that comes under prompting, just in the way that with DLA prompting and watching over are largely grouped together.

It really depends on your husband's condition - I currently receive MRC, but on the given criteria am more likely to move up than down.

Do you really think so, I thought you lived alone? One of the statements says this 'If you have a fluctuating condition the most appropriate descriptor will considered to be the one which is likely to apply for the greatest proportion of that time'.

I think they could say you don't fulfill the need if you don't actually get the help from a prompting/watching over person for the majority of the time.

There are many questions still left to be answered.

sunnyone

Im relieved, my awards should be safe but its shocking the way many discriptors have been removed, if it goes forward in this mode it will save much more than the 20% that the goverment are expecting.

kingfisherblue

It is a bit ambiguous in places, but I think my son - who has complex needs - is likely to remain on higher rate for both mobility and care.