SNP Win - The Economics of D-I-V-O-R-C-E

Kohoutek

chewmylegoff wrote: »

what would be an issue for an independent scotland, in my view, is that it would may well have to pay higher interest rates in order to raise new debt.

Yes, and i would imagine that oil prices would be a key factor in determining Scotland's credibility to investors to pay its debts.

beecher2

What the Unionists have to come up with are positive reasons for remaining in the Union, rather than relentlessly negative pieces on why Scotland can't go it alone. I just can't see how Scottish Labour will succeed in doing this after years of taking the electorate for granted.

Kohoutek

beecher2 wrote: »

What the Unionists have to come up with are positive reasons for remaining in the Union, rather than relentlessly negative pieces on why Scotland can't go it alone. I just can't see how Scottish Labour will succeed in doing this after years of taking the electorate for granted.

So are you acknowledging that there is a sound factual basis on economic/political grounds for Scotland staying as part of the UK, but the problem is that the way it is presented by the unionist parties is construed by the Scottish electorate as "putting Scotland down"?

beecher2

Kohoutek wrote: »

So are you acknowledging that there is a sound factual basis on economic/political grounds for Scotland staying as part of the UK, but the problem is that the way it is presented by the unionist parties is construed by the Scottish electorate as "putting Scotland down"?

Well, obviously there are two sides to the debate and there are going to be people who feel positively about the Union and want to remain. At the moment I don't think their voice is being heard - all we're hearing is relentless negativity about Scotland's ability to self govern and fear mongering.

Those who are in charge of the campaign really need a lesson into the Scottish mindset as we do not tend to agree with people when they tell us we can't do something! Scottish labour is in disarray and I really don't think the likes of Jackie Baillie has the ability to turn things round. The SNP are extremely efficient and clever campaigners and will run a positive campaign.

First focus is really on next year's council elections, and in particular Glasgow. The levels of corruption and nepotism there are incredible, especially during the time of Purcell's leadership, and I have a feeling many more stories like this one will come out in the months to come.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/new-labour-msp-faces-probe-over-verbal-abuse-of-colleague-1.1105375

pbouk

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, your stupidity sweetcheeks.. I thought you'd read the thread ? I haven't been talking or crapping on about oil and how much is left and by what means Germany will hit their 'renewable targets'.. I've concentrated on potential sources, jobs and investment numbers and what it may mean for Scotland since they are committed to following a similar path in the very near future. You're stuck in the 1970's.. do join us when you're ready to accept it's now 2011 won't you ?:)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany

sorry "sweetcheeks" but i have read every post on this thread, and you are the stupid fool who is "stuck in the 70's". what the hell does 2011 have to dowith things? the oil which you think scotland can build itself on has been decreasing for more than 10 years(but you will know that as you have read all the posts)but i suppose you think scotland unlike USA etc can reverse the peak oil production. WHAT A FOOOOOL!

Shakethedisease

the oil which you think scotland can build itself on has been decreasing for more than 10 years(but you will know that as you have read all the posts)

Awww you're a trier aren't you luvvie.. and I like you and your tenacity, even if you really haven't bothered to read most of the thread. You couldn't possibly have done. Or you'd know that most of the thread focused on renewables and not oil. Mabye go back and start again ??? xxx

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Awww you're a trier aren't you luvvie.. and I like you and your tenacity, even if you really haven't bothered to read most of the thread. You couldn't possibly have done. Or you'd know that most of the thread focused on renewables and not oil. Mabye go back and start again ??? xxx

I notice that you're not very interested in picking up on how Scotland is going to pay to move to 100% renewable electricity let alone put in the infrastructure needed to run cars, buses and lorries off electricity.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

I notice that you're not very interested in picking up on how Scotland is going to pay to move to 100% renewable electricity let alone put in the infrastructure needed to run cars, buses and lorries off electricity.

Your a well read guy Generali, but possibly you are not aware of the things being put in place such as the Scotland Bill and wanting greater power over corporation tax, the marine seabed, alcohol duties, broadcasting etc

They've already agreed to devolve borrowing powers to the tune of 2.2Billion and would like to increase that to 5 Billion

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Your a well read guy Generali, but possibly you are not aware of the things being put in place such as the Scotland Bill and wanting greater power over corporation tax, the marine seabed, alcohol duties, broadcasting etc

They've already agreed to devolve borrowing powers to the tune of 2.2Billion and would like to increase that to 5 Billion

That's a long way short of my estimate of EUR115,600,000,000 to become self sufficient in renewable energy generation.

I don't have an axe to grind about whether Scotland becomes independent or not and from a distance it really seems like a parochial argument. However I have serious doubts as to whether Scotland can afford to become independent. Setting up a new country from scratch won't come cheap plus Scotland will presumably inherit the UK's pension liability problem as well as a chunky although not entirely unmanageable on the books national debt.

Add on wholly unrealistic expectations for the future and the loss of the subsidy from London (London's output/head is about 50% more than Scotland's according to the ONS) and if I were a Scot I'd be pretty concerned about the outcome.

sabretoothtigger

Is 5 billion alot. Pop 5m so 1000 a person

I wouldnt want Scottish government to borrow anything really, it will only fall back on the uk as a whole in the end. It would be great to see devolvement bringing greater efficiency to government but it seems in Wales also to just demonstrate even higher spending


Oil discoveries in the North sea have been of some sucess recently hence the new higher tax to on that success. If they did continue to find oil it might amount to something in a few years still.
They are exploring the isle of wright even

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?type=&code=cotn%3AWSX.L&it=le&display=discussion&action=detail&id=8322612



Shame oil volume is declining now because the prices would help any budget alot



This graph also includes inflation, prices have generally doubled in last twenty years.
June 2011 price is $99 so thats $200 in 1990 very roughly


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