Not charged for fuel

dzug1

Lum wrote: »

"Please check your change as mistakes cannot be rectified later"

Maybe but it's probably a legally unenforceable condition. Proving it happened is the big obstacle

Lum

Paradigm wrote: »

The only certainty is that Tesco won't lose out, the poor cashier will be making up the shortfall in the till & possibly be signing on tomorrow!

And this is why you might feel you have a moral obligation to go back and pay.

Flyboy152

Scooby_Doo. wrote: »

Not very up to date are we?

How has the amended 1996 act varied from this legal opinion?

mandym

Exactly the same thing happened to me a couple of years ago. I was in my local garage and as usual was chatting with the guy behind the counter and bought a few items in the shop. I paid by card and put in my pin while we were still chatting.

I had to fill up again a couple of days later and the cashier asked me if I had noticed whether or not he'd charged me for my fuel the last time I was in. I told him that I'd check my online banking and if it wasn't on there I'd pop the money round.

When I checked, I hadn't been charged so just went and paid them the next day to his big relief.

tower

Hi,
Thanks for the replies, anyway i called the petrol station this afternoon and the had me down as leaving without paying. They asked if i could pop in before they shut and cash up and pay, but as i was at work till 11pm i couldn't.
The guy i spoke to said he would alter the entry to no funds and i could pay tomorrow. Whats the betting i get stopped on my way there.

asbokid

Scooby_Doo. wrote: »

Not very up to date are we?

Not sure what you mean.. The only amendment to s.3 of the 1978 Theft Act -- making off without payment -- was in 2005 when s.3(4) of the 1978 Act was repealed by the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1978/31/section/3

s.3(4) of the 1978 Act used to read: [strike]Any person may arrest without warrant anyone who is, or whom he, with reasonable cause, suspects to be, committing or attempting to commit an offence under this section.[/strike]

Is that what you meant?

The amendment in the Theft (Amendment) Act 1996 to s.24 of the Theft Act 1968 to introduce the new offence of "Dishonestly retaining a wrongful [bank account] credit" is not relevant here.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/62/section/2

SFAIK, the case law, and the tests and definitions for dishonesty, making off and intention to permanently deprive, haven't changed in recent years..

Explain, since it's obviously something that interests you!

[Deleted User]

Always wondered why most fuel stations never seem to give receipts unless asked.

I usually always pay by card at the pump so I always get one.

wba31

tower wrote: »

Hi,
Thanks for the replies, anyway i called the petrol station this afternoon and the had me down as leaving without paying. They asked if i could pop in before they shut and cash up and pay, but as i was at work till 11pm i couldn't.
The guy i spoke to said he would alter the entry to no funds and i could pay tomorrow. Whats the betting i get stopped on my way there.

Get the cash out, put it in an envelope marked "money to pay fuel at Tesco" then if you get stopped you show the envelope...

I'd rather the police focused on pulling over those driving without a licence/insurance or serial fuel thieves rather than someone who got caught up in a misunderstanding...

david39

I thought that I had read some time ago that in some parts of the country the police had stopped challenging and prosecuting motorists who had made off from petrol stations without paying.

The point made by the police was that by allowing the motorist to fill the tank before payment is made, the vendors were encouraging that type of behaviour and it was up to the petrol station operators to show that they were deterring the criminal fraternity rather than calling on limited police resources to do that job for them.

I don't know whether this was an experiment by certain police forces but the article I read said that the police suggested that petrol stations should request money up-front from the motorist, which would then release control of a pump up to that value. Not a very practical proposition on a busy forecourt I would think, but some stations do this at night and, of course, Pay-at-Pump installations by the supermarkets and other chain operators are heading us towards this now. Maybe, shortly, we will all be paying at the pump with cards.

Lum

Which is fine but not everybody has a card.

I let some guy use my card after he pushed his car into a Tesco petrol station at 1AM only to find it was pay at pump only. He gave me 30 quid then only put 20.01 in and refused to take the tenner back.

If they're going to go down the route of 24/7 pay at pump, you'd hope they would use the coin/note acceptors that the self service tills use.